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Voluntary Euthanasia

Buddhist ethical conduct including the Five Precepts (Pañcasikkhāpada), and Eightfold Ethical Conduct (Aṭṭhasīla).
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Postby David N. Snyder » Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:11 pm

I think the way that is written sounds very reasonable and okay with Buddhist ethics. It is mostly about not using extra-ordinary measures, letting nature take its course. And then relieving the patient's pain is in line with the Buddha's approval of medicine.
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Re: Voluntary Euthanasia

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I know in my wife's case she went through 9 series of chemotherapy, 4 operations, 4 series of radiotherapy, 6 different endocrine treatments and over 10 years of cancer effects just to be there for the kids until they grew up.

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Paul, what a strong and noble person she must be.

"Just as with her own life
A mother shields from hurt
Her only child,
Let all-embracing thoughts
For all beings be yours. "

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Re: Voluntary Euthanasia

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Suffering is universal .

Once while driving , i saw a kitten spasming and rolling around in the middle of heavy traffic being run over by a vehicle . There was nothing that anybody could do........all i could feel was intense compassion for the kitten , for myself and for all beings . We all sail in the same boat .

The pleasant , the tranquil , the blissful are also equally, if not, more capable of giving rise to great suffering . Its good to be guarded at all times .

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Re: Voluntary Euthanasia

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Re: Voluntary Euthanasia

Postby greenthumb » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:08 am

I do not want the taxes I pay going to kill any person even if they want to die. I feel there should be help for those who want to end their life, counseling, support....wanting to end one's life should NOT be a crime, like in the Netherlands. As someone mentioned in past remarks this could be taken advantage of by people who want to make a profit. From what I've read in scripture and what I've seen personally, taking one's life is a personal choice, the state should not be involved in this kind of legislature. The medical model we have here in America is based on profit and that makes everything much more complicated regarding end of life care. Most folk just don't have the money or insurance to swing this on their own and that's just wrong. Medicine is so expensive now it's frightening. I'm getting older, way past 50s and experienced chronic pain for years and thought about how easy it would be to take a pill and go to sleep for good. I can't work, I am a burden and so on.... Because of my training in meditation and scripture I can't do it no matter how easy it would be. I don't want to do this over again. When I do get sick enough to die, I don't want a ton of money spent on life saving actions, I want to go as cheaply as possible and quietly at home. But that is me, my personal view and I don't want to burden others with my view. I watched my Dad die in his late twenties of cancer, he didn't want to go because of his young family, it was an awful death. This left a lasting mark on me, I am not afraid to die, but the pain and struggle is scary. I have seen many others struggle as well with horrible pain and disease, I would never force my views on anyone in this condition, it is their path to walk.
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Re: Voluntary Euthanasia

Postby Ben » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:06 am

Hi Greenthumb,
The proposed legislation was defeated by a narrow majority a few weeks ago. The legislation was a robust set of requirements to safeguard the interests of the patient. Under the legislation, people could not be involuntary euthanised nor could they rush into euthanasia.
I remain deeply torn over the issue but I still believe that people should have the opportunity to expedite their death if their lives are intolerable and it is their sincere wish.
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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
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but great rivers flow silently.
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Re: Voluntary Euthanasia

Postby greenthumb » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:30 pm

@Ben I have read, the ultimate implication of the Buddha's teaching on kamma and rebirth is that human beings are the final masters of their own destiny (http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... ay_46.html). The State, no authority has a right to tell any human being what to do with their body. We are treated as slaves, or babbling idiots unable to rule our own lives by governments. That's how I dropped my conflict regarding this issue.

Watching the state and other authority tell us how to live our lives when they cannot manage their own or do their job correctly is scary. Especially since the state has such a horrible record of killing people. From Wiki: Democide is a term revived and redefined by the political scientist R. J. Rummel as "the murder of any person or people by a government, including genocide, politicide and mass murder." Rummel created the term as an extended concept to include forms of government murder that are not covered by the term genocide, and it has become accepted among other scholars. Rummel presents his definition without referencing any previous uses, but the term democide was defined and used in English more than 40 years earlier by Theodore Abel. In the 20th century, democide passed war as the leading cause of non-natural death (according to Rummel).

Why would anyone in their right mind want the State involved in their lives on such a personal level? Governments are monsters that hide behind rules and regulations that make profit for large corporations. I think no matter what, people will decide on their own what to do when they face the end of their life or intolerable pain based on their conditioning. Here in America end of life care, cancer and other diseases like cancer are huge money makers. People are kept alive until they are completely drained of money and insurance by a horribly broken medical system that is in bed with our government and big transnational corporations.

I don't know how we are going to fix this broken system that uses our life and death for profit except to withdraw our consent and go our own way. It's up to each one of us to figure out how we will live our lives and how we will face death.
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Re: Voluntary Euthanasia

Postby Ben » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:55 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Voluntary Euthanasia

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Re: Voluntary Euthanasia

Postby SarathW » Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:50 pm

I am looking at this problem only in the point view of Buddha’s teaching.
Impermanence and stress are two characteristics of existence.
Suicide is the answer for people who do not have a solution to a problem. (Impermanence and stress)
Buddha has provided a solution to these two problems. Ending their life without attaining nirvana is an utter waste.
There are enough Buddhist stories to support that people are able to attain Nirvana in the last breath.
I have my kind thoughts for all those who are suffering.
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