Exception to the first precept...

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Exception to the first precept...

Postby ihrjordan » Sun May 25, 2014 4:26 am

This question is mainly to entertain the thought that this might actually be allowable...really more a philosophical question than anything so don't take it to seriously. But ok, If a being were born in the plane of existence out of the 31 planes known as paranimmita-vasavatti deva with mara in there sights would it then be allowable to actually murder mara (sounds like a band name) and all beings craving once for all? :toast:
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Re: Exception to the first precept...

Postby santa100 » Sun May 25, 2014 5:38 am

Interestingly, the moment the thought of murdering someone arises in one's head, one immediately becomes mara's dearest friend and so, paradoxically one will never be able to murder him that way. The only way to "murder" mara is the cultivation of virtues, meditation, and wisdom which culminates in complete and final liberation.
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Re: Exception to the first precept...

Postby Mkoll » Sun May 25, 2014 5:38 am

santa100 wrote:Interestingly, the moment the thought of murdering someone arises in one's head, one immediately becomes mara's dearest friend and so, paradoxically one will never be able to murder him that way. The only way to "murder" mara is the cultivation of virtues, meditation, and wisdom which culminates in complete and final liberation.

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Re: Exception to the first precept...

Postby greenjuice » Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:16 pm

I think I read somewhere that Mara isn't an individual being, but an "office" filled by a being (or beings, somewhere multiple Maras are mentioned). So even if you were to kill him, some other being of similar mental disposition would to take his role.
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Re: Exception to the first precept...

Postby randall » Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:34 pm

greenjuice wrote:I think I read somewhere that Mara isn't an individual being, but an "office" filled by a being (or beings, somewhere multiple Maras are mentioned).



:spy: kinda reminds me of this:

http://www.dhammatalks.net/Articles/Pun ... m_Mara.pdf



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"Bhikkhus, possessing five factors, speech is well spoken, not badly spoken; it is blameless and beyond reproach by the wise. What five? It is spoken at the proper time; what is said is true; it is spoken gently; what is said is beneficial; it is spoken with a mind of loving-kindness. Possessing these five factors, speech is well spoken, not badly spoken; it is blameless and beyond reproach by the wise."
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Re: Exception to the first precept...

Postby santa100 » Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:45 pm

greenjuice wrote:I think I read somewhere that Mara isn't an individual being, but an "office" filled by a being (or beings, somewhere multiple Maras are mentioned). So even if you were to kill him, some other being of similar mental disposition would to take his role.

Yes, the great Ven. MahaMoggallana used to take that office a long long time ago, when the current Mara was only his nephew! From MN 50:
It happened once, Evil One, that I was a Mara named Dusi, and I had a sister named Kali. You were her son, so you were my nephew.
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Re: Exception to the first precept...

Postby Kim OHara » Thu Jun 12, 2014 10:26 pm

randall wrote:
greenjuice wrote:I think I read somewhere that Mara isn't an individual being, but an "office" filled by a being (or beings, somewhere multiple Maras are mentioned).

:spy: kinda reminds me of this:

http://www.dhammatalks.net/Articles/Pun ... m_Mara.pdf
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The article is well done - thanks.
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Re: Exception to the first precept...

Postby K.Dhamma » Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:27 pm

santa100 wrote:Interestingly, the moment the thought of murdering someone arises in one's head, one immediately becomes mara's dearest friend and so, paradoxically one will never be able to murder him that way. The only way to "murder" mara is the cultivation of virtues, meditation, and wisdom which culminates in complete and final liberation.



Couldn't have said it any better myself! :goodpost:
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