Are white lies acceptable?

Buddhist ethical conduct including the Five Precepts (Pañcasikkhāpada), and Eightfold Ethical Conduct (Aṭṭhasīla).
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Re: Are white lies acceptable?

Postby jcsuperstar » Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:20 pm

the Buddha taught us to do what is skillful and not what is unskillful. if one uses skillful speech one never has to lie.

Q. does my butt look fat in these?
A. you know, i like the black dress better, really turns me on

or whatever

you never really have to lie if you can use a little mindfulness and know who you're talking to

resorting to lying (in these types of situations), even white lies is a sign of a lack of skill more than it is a moral dilemma.

the Nazi thing may be a bit different but i'm sure there is a skillful way out of this situation as well, fortunately for me I've never had to be in such a situation so i am not well equipped to give advice about hiding Jews from Nazis.
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Re: Are white lies acceptable?

Postby Wind » Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:24 am

For the Jews and Nazi case: If they come knocking at my door, and ask me if I am hiding any Jews. My reply would be "You may search if you want. But be careful not to wake the dog, he might bite"

This way i am being honest and the reverse psychology might be more effective, plus the idea of getting biting by my dog will make him think twice of coming in. If you lie about it and they detect a sense of nervousness, they will come in regardless of what you say. So the best thing is not to raise suspicion.

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Re: Are white lies acceptable?

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Re: Are white lies acceptable?

Postby Stiphan » Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:11 am

Thank you Peter.

But is it possible to avoid the unwholesome completely in these situations?

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Re: Are white lies acceptable?

Postby PeterB » Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:38 am

The centipede was happy quite
until a toad in fun said
"pray which leg goes after which ?
Which worked his mind to such a pitch
he lay distracted in a ditch, considering how to run .

I think we can overthink things Stefan. We should not act thoughtlessly.
But neither should we attempt to have a strategy for all of life's possibilities.
The guidelines that Anna quoted "The Five Keys To Right Speech" will serve us for most situations.
Its a matter of reflecting on them and seeing how they best apply to any given situation.

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Re: Are white lies acceptable?

Postby Zom » Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:21 pm

Telling truth is the option -)

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Re: Are white lies acceptable?

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- Peter


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Re: Are white lies acceptable?

Postby Goedert » Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:43 am

No. Silence is acceptable.

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Re: Are white lies acceptable?

Postby Annapurna » Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:47 am

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Re: Are white lies acceptable?

Postby Goedert » Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:51 pm

Maybe it a misunderstanding.

The last reply mean, that in a case that you have to tell a lie to protect something, or enever the case that truth is not plesant, the silence is acceptable, silence say many things.

Did not want to produce wrog speech. Maybe it was toopor, not typing in the keyboard the whole statement.

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Re: Are white lies acceptable?

Postby Annapurna » Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:56 pm

I understood you and I agree with you, Goedert, silence is acceptable. :smile:
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