Working at a Glock factory?

Buddhist ethical conduct including the Five Precepts (Pañcasikkhāpada), and Eightfold Ethical Conduct (Aṭṭhasīla).
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Re: Working at a Glock factory?

Postby kirk5a » Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:51 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Working at a Glock factory?

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Re: Working at a Glock factory?

Postby Jhana4 » Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:58 pm

I think that in forming an opinion about this subject it would be useful to stay withing a realm of what is reasonable and down to Earth.

By that, I don't think it is useful or rational to try to imagine every possibility under the sun.

Is it ethical to work in factory that makes pencils out of recycled material? Well, maybe a serial killer with a bad memory will use one of my pencils to kill more people by using my pencil to keep a to-do list to be a more effective killer.

See what I mean?
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Working at a Glock factory?

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Re: Working at a Glock factory?

Postby Jhana4 » Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:11 pm

Like David wrote earlier, Glocks are mostly used legally by the police and military. While those two bodies are used unethically sometimes by our government, they also keep us safe.
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Working at a Glock factory?

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Re: Working at a Glock factory?

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"Anyone who keeps the ability to see beauty never grows old." - Franz Kafka
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Re: Working at a Glock factory?

Postby PeterB » Sat Mar 05, 2011 4:03 pm

Which is presumably why you decided to ask a bunch of total and anonymous strangers what they think about a major life decision.

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Re: Working at a Glock factory?

Postby Phoenix1991 » Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:39 pm

The only thing I asked for were facts from the Pali Canon and possibly your interpretation of it.

<sarcasm> Sorry for not personally knowing any other Theravada Buddhists and/or people familiar with this matter. </sarcasm>
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Re: Working at a Glock factory?

Postby Annapurna » Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:31 pm

Hey Phoenix, and asking us was perfectly ok.

I do the same thing: I ask a few people for their opinions and then make my own decision.

Keep asking, we're happy to offer what we know.
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Re: Working at a Glock factory?

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Re: Working at a Glock factory?

Postby Euclid » Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:40 pm

Perhaps we should bring the issue away from the suttas and back to you. While we could discuss the semantics of Pali and try to interpret what the Buddha meant (whch of course is very interesting; thanks David, I didn't know that the Pali wording was that specific / had those implications), how does the prospect make you feel? As Kirk5a said, you obviously feel internal conflict about this job, hence the need to come to the forum and pose your question. So perhaps the best course of action is to say to yourself 'I realise that if I accept this job, I will have internal conflict and won't have peace of mind.' Then it becomes a question of how badly you want/need the job vs. how much you value your peace of mind (for a short period of course,) which is something only you yourself can answer.

In any case, I hope something better comes along your way so you aren't forced to make these difficult decisions! :anjali:

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Re: Working at a Glock factory?

Postby Annapurna » Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:46 pm

There were a few times in my life when I chose to say 'No' to a 'bad' offer, and hoped that something better would come my way.

And that does happen...!
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Re: Working at a Glock factory?

Postby lojong1 » Sat Mar 05, 2011 9:55 pm

-- "I'm sure you have less harmful options. Are they really more frightening in the long run?" --
This was about as Theravadin as I could muster without directly reduntant canon quotes.

-- "In order to what?"--
With this I had in mind the "need" that many use as an excuse to do what they know is wrong. When I "said 'No' to a 'bad' offer," I had a choice; but when I said 'Yes' to a 'bad' offer, I "needed" to defend a certain lifestyle.
Looking for something more personal because it is your decision, I get nothing from "make a living".
No biggie. I need to go work some evil myself.

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Re: Working at a Glock factory?

Postby reynaldx » Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:05 am

Use an effectively only if you are prepared to use it and have practiced the best technique.


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