the 5th precept

Buddhist ethical conduct including the Five Precepts (Pañcasikkhāpada), and Eightfold Ethical Conduct (Aṭṭhasīla).
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Re: the 5th precept

Postby cooran » Mon May 06, 2013 2:44 am

Hello all,

On New Years Eve, at the Forest Monastery I attend, we all formally took the Five Precepts for a year. We were requested in the weeks prior to the ceremony, to reflect deeply, and only take them if we were committed to follow the Precepts fully for the time.

Having taken them, I felt the one on Right Speech would be the hardest one for me. However, this did not prove to be the case.

My daughter was married a few weeks ago, and at the Reception, I had some wine with the Toasts. Everyone was celebrating, and I didn't give it much thought (obviously). I didn't feel the slightest 'glow' and wouldn't have had more than a glass and a half in total through the whole evening.

However, attending at the Monastery the next week, I asked Bhante about it. He said I had definitely broken the Precept, and had now confessed the breach to him. The next week on Uposatha it was necessary for me to take the Precepts again - which I did.

This has certainly brought home to me that the Precepts are not a casual formality to be "stretched" to fit around everyday customs and what we are feeling inclined to do.

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Re: the 5th precept

Postby Digity » Mon May 06, 2013 3:51 am

A few weeks ago I was trying to talk myself into breaking the 5th precept for a vacation I was planning to go on where there would be tons of drinking. In the end I realized I was just fooling myself. I think it's important to stick to the precepts no matter what. It helps build strength in character and an ability to resist outside pressures, which is important, especially in the world we live in today. I can see how a wedding situation is tough. The last wedding I went to I hadn't taken the precepts...it was actuallly closely after that wedding that I decided to give up alcohol and take up the 5 precepts. I'm curious to see how things will go at the next wedding I'm invited too, but I'll keep your story in mind. Good luck moving forward and glad you took the precepts again.

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Re: the 5th precept

Postby corrine » Mon May 06, 2013 7:29 pm

Would not decaffinated coffee and tea solve the problem? My late husband loved green tea but had a blood pressure issue that was worsened by caffeine so he drank decaf green tea, both hot and iced, and found it to be a fine substitute. Is not decaf tea and coffee available everywhere? Or is it still considered to be an intoxicant?

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Re: the 5th precept

Postby SarathW » Tue May 07, 2013 12:08 am

I was a social drinker for almost 40 years. I could not see how a glass of wine or Scotch and coke can damage my path to progress.
The majority of my Buddhist male friends (98%) drink alcohol. The media continue to promote alcohol, to say red wine is good for your health.

When I join Dhamma Wheel, I was convinced by some forum members that consumption of alcohol is a BIG NO NO, if you want to progress in your path.

Two months after joining Dhamma Wheel, I completely stop drinking alcohol.

For my surprise I experienced remarkable progress in my practice. My faculties were very clear and alert.
I like to thank all members who help me in this regard.

I think I deserve a good break. :D
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: the 5th precept

Postby MidGe » Wed May 08, 2013 5:37 am

Getting back to the opening post, I have often wondered about ganja and the interpretation of the 5th precept. I want to emphasize that I am not concerned about whether it is desirable or not to partake of ganja. I am certain that it is not as I am ceratin that it is akusala as it is rooted in greed. The concern I have is as to whether it is a "breach" of the fifth precept or not, and that is not the same thing as the former in my opinion, otherwise you would also have to include all akusala activities which definitely are not covered in their totality by the five precepts.

The issue I have with the interpretation that the fifth precept somehow includes all mind altering substance, and specifically ganja, in addition to fermented drinks is that I do not know of any mention of ganja or derivatives in the Pali canon, although it was of (widespread) use in the Indian culture at the time of the Buddha, including for religious purposes. I would happily be corrected if someone can point to an authoritative different opinion on this. Now, if it was in use, and if it was somehow related to the five precepts (which is very basic right living for an adept) would that have not come up and be mentioned by the Buddha, at least once?

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Postby MidGe » Thu May 09, 2013 4:16 am

daverupa,

I agree entirely with you, my question is different. As i said in my previous post: "I want to emphasize that I am not concerned about whether it is desirable or not to partake of ganja. I am certain that it is not as I am certain that it is akusala as it is rooted in greed. The concern I have is as to whether it is a "breach" of the fifth precept or not".

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