Suttas mentioning tranquility and concentration nimittas

The cultivation of calm or tranquility and the development of concentration
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Suttas mentioning tranquility and concentration nimittas

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"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."

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Postby mikenz66 » Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:02 pm

Thanks for the quotes and links, Marc,

I can't keep up with multiple forums, but if you (or anyone else) would like to repost/rework the post as a question elsewhere, please feel free.

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"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."

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Postby mikenz66 » Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:36 am

Thanks Marc!

I was hoping that Sylvester would post something by now...

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Postby Dmytro » Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:33 pm

Hi Mike,

Thank you for the passages.

The word 'nimitta' has several meanings. The meaning 'sign' does not make any sense in the context of tranquility and concentration.

In this context, 'nimitta' means 'representation' (or 'perceptual image'), or the predominance of certain mental representation in the mind.

For Pali passages, see the thread: .


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Postby Kamran » Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:42 am

I read somewhere that the nada/sound of silence described by Ajahn Sumedho and Ajahn Amaro is also a type of nimitta. It provides a useful feedback loop on your meditation, since it becomes louder as your concentration increases.

I would be interested in specific descriptions of the light nimitta and if it is something I could develop the ability to see similar to the way I developed the ability to hear the nada sound. The nada sound I experience is identical to that described by Ajahn Sumedho and in the below book, and I wonder if the light nimitta experienced by some is the same, too.

The Law of Attention: Nada Yoga and the Way of Inner Vigilance
http://www.amazon.com/The-Law-Attention ... 1594773041

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Postby Sylvester » Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:30 am

Thanks for the kind wishes Dmytro.

Mike - if you're looking for a sutta reference to the pyrotechnic nimittas, Ven Analayo's entry on the Upakkilesa Sutta, MN 128 can be found here - http://www.buddhismuskunde.uni-hamburg. ... asutta.pdf

While the obhāsanimitta (sign of light, per BB) could be referring to a pyrotechnic nimitta, the rūpanimitta could be somewhat broader than something that is interpreted as merely "visual". Given that the bulk of our experience of rūpa stems from physical contact, the limitations of language could hamper discussion of those rūpa stemming from mental contact (alluded to in MN 28). How does one describe the experience of liquidity born of mental contact? Perhaps the rūpa stemming from mental contact is not of the primaries but of derived rūpa, probably "space" per MN 28 as well.

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Thanks, Sylvester, that's very helpful.

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Re: Suttas mentioning tranquility and concentration nimittas

Postby alan... » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:46 pm

thanks for this thread mike!

so visuddhimagga people go for deep absorption by maintaining a mental image. setting aside intensity of absorption and looking only at the idea of using a mental image or not, this seems to have support in the suttas based on the above, right?

what does this say of teachings that do not use any mental imagery or at any rate, people who pay them no mind? for example leigh brasington? is there support in the suttas for this as well? as far as i can tell his method involves a feeling instead of an image.

in my experience both work, but i don't know if they are actually working in the pure dhamma sense or just in a broad concentration sense. there are plenty of meditations that will create peace of mind but only one samma samadhi, or so it seems.

with the leigh method i get concentration and amazing blissful feelings, during there seem to be more thoughts than with the other method and after i come out of it my mind is very focused and clear.

with the nimitta method i get deep concentration with little bliss, instead i get a deep tranquility. during i have zero or next to zero thoughts and after my mind is amazingly calm and i see things very clear.

or perhaps they both should coexist?

i'm quite confused.

thoughts?
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