AN 8.63 wrote:"Then you should train yourself thus: 'Good-will, as my awareness-release, will be developed, pursued, handed the reins and taken as a basis, given a grounding, steadied, consolidated, & well-undertaken.' That's how you should train yourself. When you have developed this concentration in this way, you should develop this concentration with directed thought & evaluation, you should develop it with no directed thought & a modicum of evaluation, you should develop it with no directed thought & no evaluation, you should develop it accompanied by rapture... not accompanied by rapture... endowed with a sense of enjoyment; you should develop it endowed with equanimity.
thereductor wrote:Do you agree sammasamadhi and jhana are the same? ... Your comments seem fine, but what is meant by being an 'outsider'?
starter wrote:thereductor wrote:Do you agree sammasamadhi and jhana are the same? ... Your comments seem fine, but what is meant by being an 'outsider'?
-- Hi thereductor, nice to see your post again. Have you seen my recent post on the thread "How to gain Samadhi - answer to the Buddha's questions" (http://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=6563) on sammasamadhi?
"Now what, monks, is noble right concentration with its supports and requisite conditions? Any singleness of mind equipped with these seven factors — right view, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, and right mindfulness — is called noble right concentration with its supports and requisite conditions." —Maha-cattarisaka Sutta
Jhana not equipped with those seven factors are not sammasamadhi, as I understand. I know that many practitioners in some other schools can reach jhana (even the 4th jhana) without practicing the N8P. Sammasamadhi mostly refer to the 4 jhanas obtained after practicing the preceding 7 factors.
Being an "outsider" means the mind is aware that it's watching the breath -- the breath and the mind are separated instead of being united, as I understand.
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