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Thought suppression by Samatha

The cultivation of calm or tranquility and the development of concentration
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Re: Thought suppression by Samatha

Postby reflection » Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:19 pm

I don't know in which way your thoughts are suppressed, this can make a difference. It's not about suppressing, but more silencing.

If it's just silencing and your mind doesn't want to think because it likes the silence, that's great. A good indicator of whether you are suppresing or whether it's going well is the feeling you get out of meditation. If it feels good, I wouldn't cut back on the practice as some others suggested, but you may need to learn one or two tricks. A trick is to prepare the mind of what it's going to do. When you are going to do meditation, tell the mind you are going to do meditation. When you are going to work, tell your mind it's time to think again. That way you'll learn the difference between when thoughts need to be activated and when they do not. It may take a bit of getting used to, but this is the way to also tell your mind when to contemplate, to pick up a certain subject, when time is right. It's setting up sati on a specific task.

I found it works wonders. When at work, my mind is in thinking mode on a subject I want it to think on. When practicing meditation, it's not. (in general) It's quite useful and peaceful to be able switch your thoughts on and off.

According to MN20 if I recall correctly, such a control of the thought process is a result of meditation. But yeah, it's beneficial to learn how to program the mind, which in itself isn't the easiest thing in the world, but if you didn't know about this yet, I suggest you try it out. To learn how to do this is also useful in meditation as well, and I would also practice it inside of meditation. For example, telling the mind to pick up metta in a talkative or silent way, or to pick up the body/breath/pitisukkha etc. To pick up the body parts silently or with active thinking etc. Play around a bit to see how this works.


Ajahn Brahm teaches this under the name of "setting up the gatekeeper". It's explained here:
http://www.dhammatalks.net/Books/Ajahn_ ... ulness.htm

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Re: Thought suppression by Samatha

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:37 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Thought suppression by Samatha

Postby DAWN » Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:16 am

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Re: Thought suppression by Samatha

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:19 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Thought suppression by Samatha

Postby DAWN » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:30 am

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Re: Thought suppression by Samatha

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:04 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Thought suppression by Samatha

Postby DAWN » Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:09 am

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Re: Thought suppression by Samatha

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:17 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Thought suppression by Samatha

Postby DAWN » Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:20 am

Sabbe dhamma anatta
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Re: Thought suppression by Samatha

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:43 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Thought suppression by Samatha

Postby DAWN » Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:52 am

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Re: Thought suppression by Samatha

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:01 am

I aim for the end of suffering, however I suspect I know where you are going to try to twist this.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Thought suppression by Samatha

Postby DAWN » Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:15 am

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Re: Thought suppression by Samatha

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:24 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Thought suppression by Samatha

Postby DAWN » Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:34 pm

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Re: Thought suppression by Samatha

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:22 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Thought suppression by Samatha

Postby DAWN » Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:39 pm

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Re: Thought suppression by Samatha

Postby rowyourboat » Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:56 pm

@reflection: thanks for that suggestion. I will play around with this a bit.

@daverupa: it could be that I need to balance my faculties as samadhi has become unwieldy. Alternatively development of samadhi with and without vitakka (but not in jhana) is mentioned in some suttas may have something to do with this experience - though I may be jumping the gun if I think of it like that.

@DAWN : yes I have explored the option of ordaining but it is not an option for me :). I need to be able to think as well as have a more fluid type of samadhi. I will have to reserve the heavy stuff for the retreats.

@cittasanto: thank you for your input.

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Re: Thought suppression by Samatha

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:00 pm

Hi Matheesha,
Just remember this is a path of mistakes, sometimes we reach dead ends, other times wrong use of things (I tend to go with the latter).
I like your responce to Daverupa, it is certainly a praise worthy and simle version of what has been suggested. But just to note there that is the second Jhana in the commentaries (if you didn't already know). If you can attain Jhana don't stop, just balance :)


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Thought suppression by Samatha

Postby rowyourboat » Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:51 pm

With Metta

Karuna
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