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Anapanasati actually inducing sleep...!

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Anapanasati actually inducing sleep...!

Postby Beautiful Breath » Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:36 am

Hello everyone...

I am finding that if I use anapanasati I find it excruciatingly difficult to stay focused. I mean more than any other method I have ever used. It gets to the point currently where its almost a sleep induction exercise!! :shrug:

I have used this method in the past to calm the mind as a precursor to other methods like Hwadu or Shikantaza. But never used it as the fulcrum of my practice. Now its the main focus I am luck (if counting the breath) if I can get much past three or four before I am away with the fairies....its ridiculous!

Its almost like a challenge now (Wrong Attitude maybe) as I can't believe that after all these years I can't count past four without falling asleep!

All thoughts gratefully received - I don't have much time to spend online and really appreciate this resource so don't think I am being mercenary if I don't reply/thank straight away! :anjali:

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Postby daverupa » Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:44 am

Why count the breath? That's an old trick to try to fall asleep! It's also not an anapanasati instruction. :shrug:

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Postby SarathW » Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:07 pm

I meditate with my eyes open.
By the way sleep if you are sleepy, till you get enough of it :)
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Postby m0rl0ck » Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:59 pm

I have struggled with sleepiness on and off for years and im in the sleep if you are sleepy camp as well. Imo if you have been practicing a while and have developed good concentration otherwise you might actually just need some sleep or rest or havent eaten enough recently to maintain your energy.
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Postby marc108 » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:09 pm

first thing would be to work on your actual sleep, make sure you are getting enough.

some other tips:
use caffeine wisely and skilfully, have a cup of tea.
splash cold water in your face.
meditate eyes open.
turn on some bright lights.
stand up and do standing meditation. if you're actually falling asleep, this will stop that pretty much in its tracks.
arouse energy by visualizing yourself doing something that gives you an adrenaline rush... lifting weights, bungee jumping, etc.

also, on counting, it doesnt work for everyone. once and a while i find it useful, but mostly its boring.
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Postby FatDaddy » Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:19 pm

Change or expand the object and increase mindfullness. There are many stimulating things going on with the breath. Stop counting and notice them.
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Postby Buckwheat » Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:01 pm

Assuming you are getting enough sleep on a regular schedule, try to precede your meditation period with a light workout, like some stretching, pushups, situps, jumping jacks, or maybe some work like cleaning. I often do this, even when sleep is not an issue, and find that my meditation is often much more clear and peaceful... more insightful this way. Don't overdo it though, strenuous exercise before meditation leads to it's own difficulties.

I am also in the sleep when sleepy camp. However, to ensure I am not indulging, sometimes I will try to meditate anyway, then when I catch myself waking up as I am starting to tip over on my cushion, I will lay down on the floor (slightly uncomfortable instead of on my comfy bed) and just sleep 10-15 minutes. Often when I get back up, my meditation is rather strong.
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Postby manas » Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:50 pm

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Postby SarathW » Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:02 am

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Postby Zimesky » Fri May 31, 2013 12:39 am

I feel drowsy after Ananapana, does that put me in the sleep camp?

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Postby BlackBird » Fri May 31, 2013 2:26 am

Don't worry too much. With the methadone programme, I often fall asleep practicing anapana, or doze off momentarily more to the point. If I am experiencing such a state of affairs I will switch my focus to a Goenka-ish sweeping of the body, once that helps regain some mindfulness I will graduate to thoughts and feelings, and finally to trying to observe the state of mind - Which in this case is often sloth and torpor. I've found under certain circumstances you can effectively fight your way through it and come out the other side quite concentrated. At other times I just fall asleep again :lol:

Since I assume you're not on a high dose of opiates like I am, I would say it may have something to do with your sleep pattern. Too much or too little sleep can cause excessive drowsiness throughout the day, in such a way that you may not notice it until you get down to the business of anapanasati. So I suggest it may be beneficial to have a look at your sleep pattern and experiment with some changes. That is only one of many possible causes though and I'm far from an expert in all of them :)

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Re: Anapanasati actually inducing sleep...!

Postby dharmagoat » Fri May 31, 2013 4:07 am

I always become sleepy when I practice in the early afternoon, so I nap beforehand. Mornings and evenings are fine.

Increasing one's effort can help to stave off sleepiness, as can meditating in bright surroundings.


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