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How common is Jhana

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How common is Jhana

Postby Zimesky » Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:01 am

How common is Jhana? Further more, are any countries that have more people attaining the Jhanas?

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Re: How common is Jhana

Postby Viscid » Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:19 pm

You're probably not going to receive a very satisfying answer, as there are widely varying opinions as to what degree/depth of concentration qualifies as jhana. Why ask which countries have more practitioners achieving jhana? I think it'd be fairly safe to say that the countries with the most advanced practitioners would be the ones with the most opportunities to practice meditation seriously-- India, Burma, Thailand, Sri Lanka, China, Japan, Korea, etc. You should also consider that what is considered 'Jhana' is likely not exclusive to Buddhism or Hinduism, as the practices of other esoteric/mystical traditions (such as those in Christian monasticism or Sufism) may also lead to jhanic states.
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Re: How common is Jhana

Postby manas » Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:04 pm

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: How common is Jhana

Postby Zenainder » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:22 am

In sensual societies such as the West, it is very unusual, however I personally know of a group and often visit it that I believe see it fairly commonly. Now, they are not a Buddhist group, they are an unorthodox group of Christians that air on the mystical side of spirituality. It is common there to see many of the core members blissed and happy out of their minds; I've seen it soften hindrances temporarily for them. I seriously doubt they are aware of jhana's, but it would not surprise me if a jhana master were to honestly inspect it to give a firm knod in agreement. A few members have also levitated. I also doubt they know that it goes much deeper (though they probably state that it does without fully understanding what it is they are experiencing).

They teach a complete focus on love and love within (loosely metta meditation) and I've read Theravadist teachings that state that metta can take people straight into jhana.

It's an interesting topic nonetheless.
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Re: How common is Jhana

Postby Crazy cloud » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:12 pm

Sounds to me like that these christians maybe experiences what is called "meditation-madness", which is a fairly well known phenomenon in meditation. I'v heard that meditators who have those experiences are put in "isolation" until they are fairly grounded again. And I might be wrong also ..

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Re: How common is Jhana

Postby Zimesky » Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:44 pm

I definitely believe that the Jhana's, Dhyana's, Samadhi's are all generally the same states, just labeled differently throughout many cultures and religions. Even Christianity. I suppose I was curious because I've only read about people that have attained a Jhana state, through 2nd or 3rd hand accounts. It seemed like sort of a rarefied state from the information I've gathered so far. I can't be sure where I heard this, but It was a question I heard a student recently put forward to his Master, who was supposedly enlightened. He asked how many people in the world were currently cultivating Dhyana, the master had responded that 30'ish individuals(can't remember the specific number), were currently sitting in the 4th Jhana. That seemed to me like an incredibly low number. This thread does sort of dove-tail in with the other threads of finding a skilled teacher, able to attain these states, and teach others to cultivate a correct practice.

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