I found this:
Sutta Pitaka
Samyutta Nikaya
Division III Ý Khandhaka
Book 33 Ý Jhana Samyutta
Chapter 1 Ý Jhana Vagga
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33. 1. 1.
Samadhi Samapatti Ý Concentration Attainments
1. I heard thus. At one time the Blessed One was living in the monastery offered by Anathapindika in Jeta's grove in Savatthi.
2. The Blessed One addressed the monks from there:
3. ßMonks, these four develop concentration. What four?
4. ßMonks, a certain one developing concentration (jhana) is clever in bringing the mind to one point (samadhi), not clever in attainments (samapatti).
5. ßMonks, a certain one developing concentration is clever in attainments, not clever in bringing the mind to one point.
6. ßMonks, a certain one developing concentration is neither clever in bringing the mind to one point nor clever in attainments.
7. ßMonks, a certain one developing concentration is clever in bringing the mind to one point and clever in attainments.
8. ßMonks, of these four developing concentration the one who is clever in bringing the mind to one point and clever in attainments is the foremost, the chief, the released, the noble, and the excellent.
9. ßJust as the cow gives milk, from milk is curd, from curd butter, from butter ghee, and from ghee the cream of ghee, in the same manner, a person clever in bringing the mind to one point and clever in attainments is the foremost, the chief, the released, the noble, and the excellent.û
( Sutta 33. 1. 1., with the indicated changes, is repeated for suttas 2. through 19.)
33. 1. 2. òhiti Ý Stability
... re ... clever in stability ... clever in bringing the mind to one point ... re ...
33. 1. 3. Vuññhàna Ý Rising
re ... clever in bringing the mind to one point ... clever in rising from it ...
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Just to explain what is going on here: Section 33.1.1 gives the exact wording for Sutta #1 and it also is the general form of all of the different Suttas of Section 33.....each verse contains the same words with a different pair of characteristcs.......for example if from Section 33.1.1 you remove "in bringing the mind to one point (samadhi)" and in its place put "clever in stability " and also remove "clever in attainments (samapatti)" and in its place put "clever in bringing the mind to one point" then this will be the wording foe Section 33.1.2 which is the wording for Sutta #2. In short by replacing two phrases you generate a new Sutta.
This system goes all the way to Section 33.1.55 which means that there are 55 pair wise replacements which can be made....this seems like a really bizarre structure and I don't really understand what the point is to this because it always seems like whoever is good at both characteristics is the best of the four.....but that is not what interested me. What interests me is the idea in Section 33.1.3 which is in the quote above but I'll copy it here again:
33. 1. 3. Vuññhàna Ý Rising
re ... clever in bringing the mind to one point ... clever in rising from it ...
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What interests me is the "clever in rising from it".....this suggests that there is an ability which is not developed in all meditators (I'm pretty sure they are talking about jhana here because the title of this section is "Book 33 Ý Jhana Samyutta") called "clever in rising from it".....doe anyone know what this means....or can shed any light on this. The conncection to this topic is that one view is that jhana ends before contemplation begins and if that is so then is there a stage in the jhana/contemplation process called "rising from jhana" which goes between the two? Even putting this question aside it interested me to see the different characteristics that are presented concerning jhana....many of which I never would have guessed were relevant such as "acts carefully", "clever in suitability", "clever in pasture" (which a footnote explains as being finding a suitable place), "clever in resolution"...and many more.....Also...I don't see why all of this is presented unless it is meant to be a list of important things to consider when working on perfecting jhana......what do people make of this?
Also, note that "acts carefully" might imply some physical action but maybe it means mental action?
Also, note that "clever in suitability" might be talking about a suitable theme for contemplation?
I don't know.....this group of Suttas seems very bizarre and points to stuff in a way I've never seen before........
chownah