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Dry vipassana?

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Dry vipassana?

Postby danieLion » Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:53 am

What exactly is dry vipassana?
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Re: Dry vipassana?

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:02 am

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Re: Dry vipassana?

Postby Mr Man » Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:14 am

Another unnecessary label.
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Re: Dry vipassana?

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Re: Dry vipassana?

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:31 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Dry vipassana?

Postby Ben » Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:08 am

Well, actually, dry vipassana usually refers to those people who develop vipassana in the complete absence of samatha. The (Abhidhammika) students of Sujin Boriharnwanaket may consider themselves suddha vipassana yanika (One who's vehicle is insight only), but I don't think they are the only ones.
The different strands of the Burmese Vipassana sub-traditions, to my knowledge, use both samatha and vipassana at different points.
Does it work? To be honest, I don't know Daniel. I do have great confidence in the efficacy of my own tradition and I think life's too short to jump ship.
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Re: Dry vipassana?

Postby ground » Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:06 pm

There has always first to be a learning which applies the knowledge of conventional words and terminology and which leads to understanding based on conventional words and terminology (initial conceptual learning). This holds true whether it is the practice of vipassana or the practice of samatha that one wants to learn and there is always analysis involved.
Then the learned has to be applied to experience (actual practice). This application again implies analysis.

To some extent concentration & calmness have to be the basis for both, the initial conceptual learning and the actual practice.

So I wonder what "dry" in the expression "dry vipassana" is referring to ... Maybe the expression is a fabrication caused by scholary/intellectual confusion?


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Re: Dry vipassana?

Postby JackV » Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:52 pm

Here where a thousand
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Re: Dry vipassana?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:07 pm

is an article about "Dry Insight."

Venerable Ledi Sayādaw also explains how to proceed directly to insight before attaining full absorption in his (Ānāpāna Dīpanī).

Venerable Henapola Gunaratana describes it in

Venerable Sayādaw U Pandita describes , the focusing of the mind on paramattha dhammas. Usually these are spoken of as “ultimate realities,” but actually they are just the things we can experience directly through the six sense doors without conceptualization.
• • • • (Upasampadā: 24th June, 1979)

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Re: Dry vipassana?

Postby Ben » Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:04 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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