You are the one that brought it up.delf7 wrote:now, this is just getting silly.tiltbillings wrote:Nothing.delf7 wrote:what happened to item 4 ?
Item #4:
Gnarly, man.4. cool.
You are the one that brought it up.delf7 wrote:now, this is just getting silly.tiltbillings wrote:Nothing.delf7 wrote:what happened to item 4 ?
Gnarly, man.4. cool.
If you are tired of this thread, then don't post in it.delf7 wrote:is anyone else getting tired of this thread, or is it just me?
o.k., i'm pretty new to this forum, so excuse me for asking, but are you always this smug & childish?tiltbillings wrote:If you are tired of this thread, then don't post in it.delf7 wrote:is anyone else getting tired of this thread, or is it just me?
As for item #4, you wanted to agree to disagree, which is fine, but then you kept on posting stuff. If you do not want comments to your postings, then the best thing is: don't post anything and you'll not get comments.
Which is, of course, not very helpful. I am trying to make sense of your question: "what happened to item 4 ?" Damdifino what you are trying ask here. It would help if you would be a bit more expansive.delf7 wrote:o.k., i'm pretty new to this forum, so excuse me for asking, but are you always this smug & childish?tiltbillings wrote:If you are tired of this thread, then don't post in it.delf7 wrote:is anyone else getting tired of this thread, or is it just me?
As for item #4, you wanted to agree to disagree, which is fine, but then you kept on posting stuff. If you do not want comments to your postings, then the best thing is: don't post anything and you'll not get comments.
I am sorry you had a difficult course experience and felt compelled to leave. I feel somewhat responsible as I encouraged you on the public forum and also via pm to attend a ten-day course. However, I do believe I did indicate privately that the courses are not for everybody and that they can be difficult and hard work. If I did not, or if I did not make that point more clear - then I am sorry. Its something that I have reiterated many times publicly.delf7 wrote:i guess what i'm not understanding about this whole discussion is why the pro-goenka faction here at dhammawheel cannot simply accept that his methods are not right for everybody and why the goenkaists say that those who do not buy into these retreats have somehow "failed".
thanx ben, all is fine.Ben wrote:Hi delf,I am sorry you had a difficult course experience and felt compelled to leave. I feel somewhat responsible as I encouraged you on the public forum and also via pm to attend a ten-day course. However, I do believe I did indicate privately that the courses are not for everybody and that they can be difficult and hard work. If I did not, or if I did not make that point more clear - then I am sorry. Its something that I have reiterated many times publicly.delf7 wrote:i guess what i'm not understanding about this whole discussion is why the pro-goenka faction here at dhammawheel cannot simply accept that his methods are not right for everybody and why the goenkaists say that those who do not buy into these retreats have somehow "failed".
Also, see my earlier post where I detailed recently leaving a long course before the retreat finished. After being involved exclusively with the "tradition" for nearly 27 years it was the first time I ever left a course before its completion. For me, the difficulties that arose were too difficult to deal with at that point in time.
Whatever you chose to do in the future whether it is to attempt another 10-day course under the guidance of SN Goenka, or do something under the guidance of another teacher/tradition, I wish you all the very best.
with metta,
Ben
that doesn't sound any different then the retreats I've done at the Bhavana Society, and I agree 100% that retreats like that bring up difficulties, but that is the whole point of the retreat, at least this is what I've come to find, so I don't know why someone might say otherwise.mikenz66 wrote:I'm hardly a "goenakaist". I've only done one retreat, and I prefer the Mahasi-style approach that my local teachers use. The method itself is a bit too rigid for my taste.
However, I don't see anything about the structure of a Goenka retreat that is at significant variance with other strict retreats. No talking, no reading, get up, practice, eat, practice, sleep. Difficult stuff, but very standard.
Personally, I'm pleased I did some less strict, shorter, retreats before the Goenka retreat. I actually felt very relieved on the Goenka retreat that the silence was kept strictly by the servers.
The point is, any intensive retreat will bring up a lot of difficulties. New meditators might consider starting with some shorter and/or less demanding retreats.
Mike
Actually, its not!Ferox wrote: I'm not sure if the OP has done retreats before but to jump right into a 10 day retreat has to be near insanity.
retrofuturist wrote:Greetings,
My first retreat was a 10-day Goenka one - I didn't consider this decision to have been near insanity then, nor do I consider it such now.
Metta,
Retro.
They're all different!Ferox wrote:I've been through enough retreats now to know what to expect.
Ben wrote:They're all different!Ferox wrote:I've been through enough retreats now to know what to expect.
kind regards,
Ben