i think i understand daily practice, but sitting meditation in the vipassana tradition usually uses such methods as mindfulness of breathing and what-not, right? but in vipassana we do not want too enter jhana. is this correct? if this is correct, what do we do? just keep mindful of whatever arises? are there stages?
is there any where in the pali canon that this method is taught?
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details on sitting meditation?
by johnny » Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:52 am
The time would not pass. Somebody was playing with the clocks, and not only the electronic clocks but the wind-up kind too. The second hand on my watch would twitch once, and a year would pass, and then it would twitch again.
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five
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Re: details on sitting meditation?
by marc108 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:02 am
i believe, that the idea is to not wait until Jhana is developed to begin the practice of Satipatthana, not to forgo Jhana altogether.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
Vipassana Jhanas: The Path Of Freedom - Joseph Goldstein
http://dharmaseed.org/teacher/96/talk/305/
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
"Then there is the case where a monk has developed tranquillity preceded by insight. As he develops tranquillity preceded by insight, the path is born. He follows that path, develops it, pursues it. As he follows the path, developing it & pursuing it — his fetters are abandoned, his obsessions destroyed.
Vipassana Jhanas: The Path Of Freedom - Joseph Goldstein
http://dharmaseed.org/teacher/96/talk/305/
“The unawakened mind tends to make war against the way things are. To follow a path with heart, we must understand the whole process of making war within ourselves and without, how it begins and how it ends."
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Re: details on sitting meditation?
by johnny » Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:04 am
marc108 wrote:i believe, that the idea is to not wait until Jhana is developed to begin the practice of Satipatthana, not to forgo Jhana altogether.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html"Then there is the case where a monk has developed tranquillity preceded by insight. As he develops tranquillity preceded by insight, the path is born. He follows that path, develops it, pursues it. As he follows the path, developing it & pursuing it — his fetters are abandoned, his obsessions destroyed.
Vipassana Jhanas: The Path Of Freedom - Joseph Goldstein
http://dharmaseed.org/teacher/96/talk/305/
thank you sir! i have read that quote from the pali canon, it's ananda talking right? great stuff! very freeing in that it can develop in a variety of ways.
The time would not pass. Somebody was playing with the clocks, and not only the electronic clocks but the wind-up kind too. The second hand on my watch would twitch once, and a year would pass, and then it would twitch again.
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five
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Re: details on sitting meditation?
by mikenz66 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:37 am
Some other relevant suttas are:
AN 4.41 Samadhi Sutta: Concentration
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
AN 4.94 Samadhi Sutta: Concentration (Tranquillity and Insight)
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
As marc says, "vipassana" approaches in fact involve both concentration and insight. Perhaps the best way to understand what they are about is to read or listen to teachers such as the talk he linked to, or some of the resources on this thread: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=341#p6695
Mike
AN 4.41 Samadhi Sutta: Concentration
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
AN 4.94 Samadhi Sutta: Concentration (Tranquillity and Insight)
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
As marc says, "vipassana" approaches in fact involve both concentration and insight. Perhaps the best way to understand what they are about is to read or listen to teachers such as the talk he linked to, or some of the resources on this thread: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=341#p6695
Mike
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