Noticing touch

[purple planet]

I started to note touch instead of breathing what do you think ?

and it started to take over my labeling and i label breathing as touch and lots of stuff as touch and also walking meditation - is it good to note mainly touch ?

another mini question - one of my problems from the start was how to label pressing a button - i know the label is onlt a tool but still fot me its very important

so how do you label pressing a button - pushing ? pressure?

[tiltbillings]

so how do you label pressing a button - pushing ? pressure?

"pressing a button" Don't over think this stuff.

[Mr Man]

Note the doubt and indicision?

[Billymac29]

so how do you label pressing a button - pushing ? pressure?

"pressing a button" Don't over think this stuff.

These are all good answers... "Pressing", or "pushing", or "pressing a button" are all fine.. As U Pandita says, keep it simple, your not looking to enhance verbal skills but to be mindful.

Note the doubt and indicision?

this is an important insight that you will find as your practice progresses... You will be able to see and note the doubt along with uncertainty, intention...etc
may all be well

[Sokehi]

keep it simple, your not looking to enhance verbal skills but to be mindful.

exactly... that' why I hardly ever label, it pulls me off the experience more into conceptualizing about what the process exactly is, when it began, if could label it in a more refined way... for some that technique helps, for me it is to agitating.

[mikenz66]

Hi Sokehi,

keep it simple, your not looking to enhance verbal skills but to be mindful.

exactly... that' why I hardly ever label, it pulls me off the experience more into conceptualizing about what the process exactly is, when it began, if could label it in a more refined way... for some that technique helps, for me it is to agitating.

Certainly if you are conceptualizing then that's not the purpose (which is completely the opposite) and it would be better to drop it.


Mike

[Sokehi]

yes indeed

it just happens, I better not give my inner monkey any toys to think about, I'm fine with awareness of breathing.

If it comes to meditation technicques generally I'm not a big shot. I get pulled away to quickly, it's quite hard for me to stay with my metta meditation. Maybe that's why initially I felt more at home in the zen tradition and "just sitting".

Hopefully I can expand to more refined techniques one day, because certainly I understand the benefits that come from it.

Labelling worked while practicing Jongrom quite good, but if I sit I better just sit.

[mikenz66]

Hi PP,

If you have not already, I suggest you listen to at least the introductory reatreat talks by Patrick Kearney on this site:
http://www.dharmasalon.net/Audio/audio.html
[They rotate every so often, the one I've just listened to here:
http://www.dharmasalon.net/Audio/BMIMC% ... BMIMC.html

01 (AM) Introducing Mahāsī method
We look at the origins of the modern insight movement in Myanmar, and at the characteristics of Mahāsī Sayādaw’s approach to satipaṭṭhāna vipassanā (insight based on establishing mindfulness). We see how Mahāsī Sayādaw divides the meditator’s experience into “primary object” and “secondary object;” and how the three fundamental movements of the practitioner are “noting,” “naming” and “noticing.”

covers many of the issues raised in this thread.


Mike