Body Scanning and Jhana...

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Body Scanning and Jhana...

Postby Myotai » Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:28 pm

Does the Goenka style lead to Jhana?

It seems very 'busy' in compassion to other styles (?Mahasi maybe).

Does this method lead to the subtle states of mind I have read other styles lead to?

*Note - I am not asking because I am seeking such phenomena, just wondered really?

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Postby Monkey Mind » Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:42 pm

In that tradition, there are also twenty- and thirty-day retreats. Jhana becomes an item of discussion during the longer retreats. But Mr. Goenka repeatedly emphasizes that one should not chase after a particular attainment, nor should one cling to an attainment once achieved.
"As I am, so are others;
as others are, so am I."
Having thus identified self and others,
harm no one nor have them harmed.

Sutta Nipāta 3.710

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Re: Body Scanning and Jhana...

Postby Goob » Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:10 pm

Yeah, I never really got why either. It seems so much more awkward to to make the technique comform to the Satipatthana-sutta and ideas about momentariness than to the anapanasati-sutta, but it probably has to do with being connected to the Burmese lay-meditation movement in the beginning of the 20th century and to the particular interpretations by Burmese scholars. Just a vague non-professional guess :smile:

Also, Leigh Brasington teaches the body scan technique (a'la Goenka) as an alternative to his usual ways of getting in to his version of Jhana (i.e by focusing on the nostrils and piti). Do a search for 'body scan' on his talks on http://www.dharmaseed.org and at least one talk should come up.

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