Venerable Matara Sri Nanarama Mahathera!rowyourboat wrote: http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/bm7insight.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I remember reading his Seven contemplations of Insight some years ago.
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Ben
Venerable Matara Sri Nanarama Mahathera!rowyourboat wrote: http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/bm7insight.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Just curious about this msg and discussion which brought to mind an interesting msg I had fogotten but that at the time raised some questions: http://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... 467#p73467 Two things seem to be implicit in these msgs. One is that there seems, in both exchanges, to be something of a criticism of the Goenka technique and both this and the linked msg, in particular, raises the question of how do you know if the people you claim became sotapanna? There seems to be a suggestion that recognotion of a sotapanna requires being at least a sotapanna - Aithníonn cíaróg cíaróg eile, One beetle recognizes another beetle. Or can one teach beyond the level of one's experience?rowyourboat wrote:I will attempt to explain this in a bit more detail. But you really need to download that booklet from my link, as the Venrable does a much better job than I can. Hope your internet speed is back up again. It is valuable reading IMO.. . . .
Hi Tilt.For what its worth,all of my teachers have said that one CANNOT teach beyond the level of ones experience.tiltbillings wrote:Just curious about this msg and discussion which brought to mind an interesting msg I had fogotten but that at the time raised some questions: http://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... 467#p73467 Two things seem to be implicit in these msgs. One is that there seems, in both exchanges, to be something of a criticism of the Goenka technique and both this and the linked msg, in particular, raises the question of how do you know if the people you claim became sotapanna? There seems to be a suggestion that recognotion of a sotapanna requires being at least a sotapanna - Aithníonn cíaróg cíaróg eile, One beetle recognizes another beetle. Or can one teach beyond the level of one's experience?rowyourboat wrote:I will attempt to explain this in a bit more detail. But you really need to download that booklet from my link, as the Venrable does a much better job than I can. Hope your internet speed is back up again. It is valuable reading IMO.. . . .
Well, that's an interesting comment.rowyourboat wrote:Goenka in my opinion is introductory practice.
From Day 4 of the ten-day course:SN Goenka wrote:May all of you be successful in taking the first steps on the path of liberation
From Day 9 of the ten-day course:SN Goenka wrote:You have taken a first step on the path to liberation...
...You have started taking dips in the Ganges of Dhamma within,
From Day 11 discourse:SN Goenka wrote:You have taken a first step towards eradicating your defilements
In part of the instructions of a ten-day course, Goenkaji says "this is the kindergarten of Dhamma". And as can be seen from above, SN Goenka doesn't claim that what he teaches, in a ten-day course, is anything but an unequivocal introduction. That point would have been clear to you had you ever done a ten-day course.SN Goenka wrote:In ten days one can get only a rough outline of the technique; one cannot expect to become perfect in it so quickly. But even this brief experience should not be undervalued: you have taken the first step, a very important step, although the journey is long—indeed, it is a lifetime job...
...A seed of Dhamma has been sown
I don't have a problem with anyone having a different opinion from me. If I did, I wouldn't participate on a discussion forum. In fact, I think I am nothing but very supportive of anyone - regardless of who their teacher is - to engage in practice. My objection is that your opinion, from my humble perspective, has been formulated without any direct experience and very little knowledge of Goenka and what he teaches, and that opinion is packaged, no doubt unintentionally, within an appeal to authority of your position as meditation teacher. Despite my attempts to explain aspects of Goenka's teaching to you, it appears that you had already developed a view with regards to what you believe is a defective method.rowyourboat wrote:It still allows me to have a different opinion from you I hope.
Thank you, as i also consider you here.rowyourboat wrote:You a valuable member in all these groups.
I understand.rowyourboat wrote:I do not air my views out of malice, but out of concern.
Absolutely.rowyourboat wrote:I hope I can share my understanding so that all of us here can have a decent discussion and I am open to being corrected as well.
This sentence brings to mind the recent discussion on "something endures unchanged for at least a certain interval", in which most participants were of the opinion that there isn't anything which "endures unchanged for at least a certain interval". If that is so, does it matter greatly if there is movement in the area of focus, when remaining stationary for only the briefest moment would be required to see the arising and cessation?rowyourboat wrote:6) Udaya vyaya- when seeing a mass of vibrations arising and passing away you will see some degree of anicca and sunyata, but without focusing on one object completely arising and completely falling into dissolution at a time, it will be again difficult to get to proper udayabyaya which can lead to bhanaga nana.
rowyourboat wrote:One and a half days of anapanasati is not enough to...