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Stages of enligthenment
Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:07 pm
by villkorkarma
i read this:
http://watbuddhaoregon.com/view_forums/ ... PIC_ID=171" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and i watched at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXJZWKvFPDM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
in the video goenka says there are like 4 steps to full enlightenment. he talks about maximum of 7 lifes to the second stage of enlightenment after you have reached the first.
how does the fit with your experience?
maybe is it like that you have to have the right behaviour to become an arahant fully enlightened?
Re: Stages of enligthenment
Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:32 pm
by cooran
Hello villkorkamma,
goenka says there are like 4 steps to full enlightenment. he talks about maximum of 7 lifes to the second stage of enlightenment after you have reached the first.
Goenka-ji is correct. The Buddha taught that once a being has become a Sotapanna he will reach full enlightenment in
no more than 7 more lifetimes. To become a Sotapanna is not an easy task - and we have all being wandering in Samsara through uncountable aeons without reaching this first level of enlightenment.
From Puthujjana to the Buddha( Reference: Brahmajala Sutta)
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/buddhism/ariyacht.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
with metta
Chris
Re: Stages of enligthenment
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:27 am
by villkorkarma
But Goenkaji says that its 7 max to 2 level then 2 i think to level 3 then maybe one more but not on earth but in a high bramic plane...
Re: Stages of enligthenment
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:36 am
by ajahndoe
Enlightenment is the process of many wrong views changing to right views. In truth there are only wrong thoughts and right thoughts, with one bringing suffering and the other bringing peace. The Theravada schools subscribe to 4 stages, the Mahayana to 10, Zen to many satoris (this is closest to how it works). The Buddha experienced and taught of the 4 stages, and if it is the Buddha's experience alone that one subscribes to then they may know these 4 stages by the fetters which are unbound at each.
Re: Stages of enligthenment
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:41 am
by cooran
villkorkarma wrote:But Goenkaji says that its 7 max to 2 level then 2 i think to level 3 then maybe one more but not on earth but in a high bramic plane...
Can you please give a link to where he says this? With respect, I think your memory is faulty.
with metta
Chris
Re: Stages of enligthenment
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:44 pm
by Lombardi4
The following might be useful:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_stage ... ightenment" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Stages of enligthenment
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:20 pm
by rowyourboat
Hi Vilokarma
I think you should become familiar with the 4 stages (this is the correct one incidentally) of reaching nibbana (enlightenment).
with metta
Re: Stages of enligthenment
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:45 pm
by villkorkarma
searc on stages of enlightenment eller s n goenka på youtube.com så hittar du videon där han pratar om 7 liv sedan 2 liv sedan eventullt 2 liv till fullt arahantskap.
Re: Stages of enligthenment
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:28 pm
by rowyourboat
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/study/stream.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/study/stream2.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
with metta
Re: Stages of enligthenment
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 1:06 pm
by Parth
Dear Villkorkarma,
For Sotapanna it is 7 more lives for Nibbana
for Sakadagami it is 1 more life in kamabhumi for Nibbana
for Anagami no more births in kamabhumi but in Bramhanic plane only for nibbana
For Arhat - a liberated being.
This is what Goenkaji also states.
But more important than knowing this is to reach any of these states.
Metta
Parth
Re: Stages of enligthenment
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:52 pm
by Jechbi
villkorkarma wrote:how does the fit with your experience?
That's the key question. The very first stage involves eradicating
personality view, doubt, misapprehension of precepts and vows. It also involves holding to impeccable morality. So we can observe in our personal situation whether these qualities apply. If not, then we can be encouraged to keep working.
Re: Stages of enligthenment
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:14 am
by rowyourboat
Here are the practices required for stream entry:
Association with people of integrity is a factor for stream-entry.
Listening to the true Dhamma is a factor for stream-entry.
Appropriate attention (contemplation - yonisomanasikara) is a factor for stream-entry.
Practice in accordance with the Dhamma (satipatthana, 8 fold path) is a factor for stream-entry.
— SN 55.5
with metta
Matheesha