Well you simply cannot know since you are not a cat and the Buddha's teachings that we know were not addressed to cats.tiltbillings wrote:A cat hunting a mouse is not going have a quality of mind that is conducive to awakening.
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Well you simply cannot know since you are not a cat and the Buddha's teachings that we know were not addressed to cats.tiltbillings wrote:A cat hunting a mouse is not going have a quality of mind that is conducive to awakening.
I respectfully disagree. What do you imagine might be the state of mind of an animal hunting another animal?TMingyur wrote:Well you simply cannot know since you are not a cat and the Buddha's teachings that we know were not addressed to cats.tiltbillings wrote:A cat hunting a mouse is not going have a quality of mind that is conducive to awakening.
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But he did talk about the uniqueness of human birth as a platform for awakening compared to other realms of existence, including animals. My point stands. Also, you really have not addressed my point, though you have tried to dodge it.TMingyur wrote:Well you simply cannot know since you are not a cat and the Buddha's teachings that we know were not addressed to cats.tiltbillings wrote:A cat hunting a mouse is not going have a quality of mind that is conducive to awakening.
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BenBen wrote:Greetings Ming,I respectfully disagree. What do you imagine might be the state of mind of an animal hunting another animal?TMingyur wrote:Well you simply cannot know since you are not a cat and the Buddha's teachings that we know were not addressed to cats.tiltbillings wrote:A cat hunting a mouse is not going have a quality of mind that is conducive to awakening.
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This is no evidence for a cat's quality of attention.tiltbillings wrote:But he did talk about the uniqueness of human birth as a platform for awakening compared to other realms of existence, including animals.TMingyur wrote:Well you simply cannot know since you are not a cat and the Buddha's teachings that we know were not addressed to cats.tiltbillings wrote:A cat hunting a mouse is not going have a quality of mind that is conducive to awakening.
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What point? I feel I replied to everything consistently although it may not be to your satisfaction.tiltbillings wrote:Also, you really have not addressed my point, though you have tried to dodge it.
So, Angulimala had positive, wholesome mental factors at play when he was stalking and killing his prey?TMingyur wrote: does your question refer to the state while hunting or any other time?
I would like to remind of Angulimala in this context.
Since I am human and Angulimala is supposed to have been human too I am inclined to answer in the negative.tiltbillings wrote:So, Angulimala had positive, wholesome mental factors at play when he was stalking and killing his prey?TMingyur wrote: does your question refer to the state while hunting or any other time?
I would like to remind of Angulimala in this context.
Now, you are again doing a two-step side-step dance to avoid the question.TMingyur wrote:This is no evidence for a cat's quality of attention.tiltbillings wrote:But the Buddha did talk about the uniqueness of human birth as a platform for awakening compared to other realms of existence, including animals.
You have consistently dodged the questions and the points raised, answering nothing.What point? I feel I replied to everything consistently although it may not be to your satisfaction.tiltbillings wrote:Also, you really have not addressed my point, though you have tried to dodge it.
There is no reason to assume a cat caught in the hunt is any different, in general, from a human caught up in the hunt. And since humans are in a generally unique position in terms of awakening according to the Buddha's teachings, awakened qualities of mind are not something kammically available to a cat and certainly not when hunting and killing a mouse.TMingyur wrote:Since I am human and Angulimala is supposed to have been human too I am inclined to answer in the negative.tiltbillings wrote:So, Angulimala had positive, wholesome mental factors at play when he was stalking and killing his prey?TMingyur wrote: does your question refer to the state while hunting or any other time?
I would like to remind of Angulimala in this context.
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No I just stick to the original topic of our conversation.tiltbillings wrote:Now, you are again doing a two-step side-step dance to avoid the question.TMingyur wrote:This is no evidence for a cat's quality of attention.tiltbillings wrote:But the Buddha did talk about the uniqueness of human birth as a platform for awakening compared to other realms of existence, including animals.
You have consistently dodged the questions and the points raised, answering nothing.[/quote]What point? I feel I replied to everything consistently although it may not be to your satisfaction.tiltbillings wrote:Also, you really have not addressed my point, though you have tried to dodge it.
This is just your original assertion. Still you cannot know.tiltbillings wrote:There is no reason to assume a cat caught in the hunt is any different, in general, from a human caught up in the hunt.
I can reasonably be inclined to answer that I can. Cats are not so different from humans the certains states of mind as acted out in their are not transparent to be understood in the same way you claim:TMingyur wrote:This is just your original assertion. Still you cannot know.tiltbillings wrote:There is no reason to assume a cat caught in the hunt is any different, in general, from a human caught up in the hunt.
Cute, but, alas, still a dodge.TMingyur wrote:The thread is titled "practical vipassana".
"practical vipassana" may foster the capacity to discern "fabrication" and "knowing". So I am going to practice this vipassana in order to learn to discern what I know about cats and what I fabricate about cats.
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