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How to change old behavioral patterns?
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:44 am
by wizi
Just like to find out from mature meditators how they have come to change some common old behavioral patterns (examples given below) through their practice?
Please share your experiences on you changed some of your own habit patterns? What did it take for you to overcome these through your practice?
Re: How to change old behavioral patterns?
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:51 am
by Ben
Maintaining your practice everyday you are putting one foot in front of the other on the path. Its the constant application as well as retreat experiences that are for your long term benefit. Just keep practicing wizi and you will do fine.
kind regards,
Ben
Re: How to change old behavioral patterns?
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:56 am
by piotr
Hi,
You may find this dhamma-talks helpful:
http://dhammatalks.org/TopicalDhammaCollections.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (under “Breaking Old Habits” heading). It seems to me that Ṭhānissaro Bhikkhu is a “mature meditator”.
Re: How to change old behavioral patterns?
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:46 pm
by PeterB
I would offer two strategies to consider, or three if the two are combined.
The first is discursive, When the behaviour arises we can remind oneself of the likely outcome.
We know that this and this behaviour leads to that and that outcome.
We sometimes need to keep reminding ourselves of the consequences.that certain outcomes follow just a wheel follows the bullock that pulls the cart as the Buddha says.
In the heat of the moment it is not always easy to think logically.
For that reason another strategy might be considered.
It is to see without judgement..choicelessly, exactly when an impulse or urge arises.
It is not necessary to analyse each impulse discursively...just to turn the spotlight of consciousness on to each embryonic impulse. Using the vehicle of the breath.
At first this is hard work ..in fact its a slog. But after a while we internalise the process and it takes care of itself with occasion touches on the tiller.
Re: How to change old behavioral patterns?
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:22 pm
by chownah
I think that doing the same thing again and again is a "behavior pattern" only if it is done mindlessly......I think that being mindful and doing things again and again does not create a "behavior pattern" even though there is a pattern to our behavior.....in this context all behavior patterns should be uprooted......in my life a key part of changing a "behavior pattern" was to become mindful of it especially while it is happening......I often would institute a new "behavior pattern" to vanquish the old one.....I think the Buddha teaches to eliminate all "behavior patterns".....
chownah
Re: How to change old behavioral patterns?
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:51 pm
by rowyourboat
My best companion when it comes to changing old habits:
The Vitakkasantana sutta (Relaxation of thought)
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Combined with mindfulness of thought:
[3] "Furthermore, the monk remains focused on mental qualities in & of themselves with reference to the sixfold internal & external sense media. And how does he remain focused on mental qualities in & of themselves with reference to the sixfold internal & external sense media? There is the case where he discerns the eye, he discerns forms, he discerns the fetter that arises dependent on both. He discerns how there is the arising of an unarisen fetter. And he discerns how there is the abandoning of a fetter once it has arisen. And he discerns how there is no future arising of a fetter that has been abandoned. (The same formula is repeated for the remaining sense media: ear, nose, tongue, body, & intellect.)
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
with metta
Matheesha
Re: How to change old behavioral patterns?
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:35 pm
by jackson
Greetings wizi,
I don't consider myself a mature meditator, but I do have a practice which has benefited me that I'd like to share... I've found one of the keys to changing ingrained patterns is to observe cause and effect, notice if the thought, speech, or action led to good results or bad, and based on that make a determination to repeat it or refrain from repeating it.
Best wishes,
Jackson
Re: How to change old behavioral patterns?
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:21 am
by ground
"And how does one not live at home? Any desire, passion, delight, craving, any attachments, clingings, fixations of awareness, biases, or obsessions with regard to the property of form: these the Tathagata has abandoned, their root destroyed, made like a palmyra stump, deprived of the conditions of development, not destined for future arising. Therefore the Tathagata is said to be not dwelling at home.
"Any desire, passion, delight, craving, any attachments, clingings, fixations of awareness, biases or obsessions with regard to the property of feeling... perception... fabrication...
"Any desire, passion, delight, craving, any attachments, clingings, fixations of awareness, biases or obsessions with regard to the property of consciousness: these the Tathagata has abandoned, their root destroyed, made like a palmyra stump, deprived of the conditions of development, not destined for future arising. Therefore the Tathagata is said to be not dwelling at home.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Kind regards
Re: How to change old behavioral patterns?
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:47 am
by halaha
I am not a mature meditator myself but I have found chanting the nine qualities of the Buddha "Itipiso baghava aranham ...." That Blessed One is such since He is (1) Accomplished, (2) Perfectly Enlightened, (3) Endowed with knowledge and Conduct or Practice, (4) Well-gone or Well- spoken, (5) the Knower of worlds, (6) the Guide Unsurpassed of men to be tamed, (7) the Teacher of gods and men, (8) Enlightened, and (9) Blessed. whenever I am about to show a undesired behavioural pattern.
Re: How to change old behavioral patterns?
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:40 am
by BuddhaKurt
Greetings Wizi, I am quite familiar with habitual patterns of the mind. The best way to stop them is not to try and stop them. It's like falling in quicksand... the more you struggle to get out, the more you will sink. The way to not struggle is to just observe via Mindfulness. Since you asked the question, you have already observed, so continue to do so. Practice Mindfulness every minute of every day and your question will be answered. Have a great day!
Re: How to change old behavioral patterns?
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:21 pm
by wizi
Thanks everyone!
A fellow meditator shared this on her FB which seems quite appropriate to keep in mind for when those old behavioral patterns creep in ..
"Just when everything 'looks' and 'feels' comfortable and steady, pay attention as something major is about to change. Comfort zones are not places we grow and learn in!"
What do you think of that?
Re: How to change old behavioral patterns?
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:19 pm
by Jhana4
I'm a big believer is using solutions regardless of their source. If a Buddhist solutions works the best for me, I use it, if not, so be it. I've read a number of books on REBT ( Rational Emotive Behavioral Therapy ) and CBT ( Cognitive Behavioral Therapy ), both of which are all about changing habit patterns.
All of the authors place strong emphasis on accepting that you are not perfect, that back sliding will happen and on being very positive about picking youself up quickly to try again once you find yourself backsliding.
Re: How to change old behavioral patterns?
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:38 pm
by wizi
What can one find more information about REBT and CBT ?
Actually, the more practical question i have is also how to help a loved one change their old behavioral patterns? Especially an ageing parent who can't seem to find a way "in" to meditation nor find the requisite will to seek help in behavioral therapies?
Re: How to change old behavioral patterns?
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:56 pm
by Jhana4
wizi wrote:What can one find more information about REBT and CBT ?
The
best piece of writing on the subject, free or non-free and it is
brief:
Introduction To REBT
The single best book on the subject of REBT:
Guide To Rational Living
Actually, the more practical question i have is also how to help a loved one change their old behavioral patterns?
You can't.
People have to change under their own motivation.
All you can do is make the case to them once or twice ( pushing the issue beyond that will just push them away and frustrate you ) and then leave them alone.
Re: How to change old behavioral patterns?
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:32 pm
by daverupa
wizi wrote:Actually, the more practical question i have is also how to help a loved one change their old behavioral patterns? Especially an ageing parent who can't seem to find a way "in" to meditation nor find the requisite will to seek help in behavioral therapies?
Without "requisite will", nothing offered will be of any use. It seems to be a request to find something that not only provides efficacious behavioral helps, but also works irrespective of the personal choice to engage with the material. Such a thing doesn't exist.
