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HH Dalai Lama in Australia 1-10 Dec 2009

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Our Future, Who is Responsible? Public Talk: Sydney

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Re: HH Dalai Lama in Australia 1-10 Dec 2009

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:38 pm

Hi all!

For those of you who live in Southern California, USA, and have any interest in HHDL, he's coming here in a few weeks.

I'm going to the teachings, and I'm taking my niece. But she's a 14-year old, confused, acting-out, somewhat undependable teenager.
So if you like HHDL and live here, please be on alert. I might have an extra ticket when we get closer to the events.

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Re: HH Dalai Lama in Australia 1-10 Dec 2009

Postby genkaku » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:22 pm

Hi Drolma -- Take your niece, if you can.

I once took my daughter, at too young an age, perhaps, to see Ravi Shankar. I really didn't mind that she was bored deaf, dumb and blind. Something sinks in irrespective of opinion and judgment, I think. This goes for both the bored-stupid and those inclined towards fall-down adoration.

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Re: HH Dalai Lama in Australia 1-10 Dec 2009

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:29 pm

Hi Genkaku,

I sure hope she pulls through. Thanks for the story about your daughter :)

But in case she flakes out, I'd want this ticket to go to use, for sure. She's been having a bad month (or couple of months) so I'm feeling a little wary about whether or not she'll keep it together to come with me. It would be extra good for her I think because the first part of the first day is dedicated to teaching on the Four Noble Truths. Hearing these truths about suffering from HHDL right now might be just right for her.

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Re: HH Dalai Lama in Australia 1-10 Dec 2009

Postby Ben » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:34 pm

Hi Drolma, hi Adam

I actually spoke to the chaplain at our school about taking a group of kids to see His Holiness when he's in Hobart. (Its got to be auspicious even if its for the alliteration!). Our chaplain's a pretty switched-on guy and thought it was a good idea except that the older kids would have already left for their summer holidays. I'm planning on going and I'm quietly trying to talk my wife into going to His Holiness's session at the 'Mind and its Potential' conference she is attending in Sydney, despite the $500 cost for the session.

Drolma, I agree with Adam, take your niece. Its something that may have deeper impacts on her the older she gets.

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Re: HH Dalai Lama in Australia 1-10 Dec 2009

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:45 pm

That's awesome that you're attending that, Ben. And taking the kids.

Is that $500 USD? For the two-day event I'm attending, only dana was mentioned, and I received my tickets without having given dana yet. I thought I'd bring some cash to the event. With a request for dana you usually just give whatever you can, and it's in a sealed envelope so it's very discreet. In any case, I'm happy for you! I hope your wife warms up to the idea and that it works out for the kids that are able to go.

Yes, I sure hope my niece makes it! :)
I agree about seeds being planted, too. And the impact may very well come to fruition over a period of time. I've had that experience.

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Re: HH Dalai Lama in Australia 1-10 Dec 2009

Postby genkaku » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:50 pm

Ngawang Drolma wrote:Hi Genkaku,

I sure hope she pulls through. Thanks for the story about your daughter :)

But in case she flakes out, I'd want this ticket to go to use, for sure. She's been having a bad month (or couple of months) so I'm feeling a little wary about whether or not she'll keep it together to come with me. It would be extra good for her I think because the first part of the first day is dedicated to teaching on the Four Noble Truths. Hearing these truths about suffering from HHDL right now might be just right for her.

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Just ask her. Whether it's just seeing 'someone famous' or has some 'spiritual' meaning, maybe she'll bite. And maybe not. Never mind the overlays, whether hers or yours ... just ask.

Hoping things smooth out a bit for her.
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Re: HH Dalai Lama in Australia 1-10 Dec 2009

Postby Aloka » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:55 pm

Hi Drolma,

I may know of someone who could use it if you contact me.


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Re: HH Dalai Lama in Australia 1-10 Dec 2009

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:57 pm

Dazzlebling wrote:Hi Drolma,

I may know of someone who could use it if you contact me.


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Perfect. Of course you'll know the status :mrgreen:
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Re: HH Dalai Lama in Australia 1-10 Dec 2009

Postby Ben » Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:33 pm

Hi Drolma

Its $AUD500 which is around $US400. And that is for the session/s His Holiness is giving in Sydney which forms part of the conference program.

The session I am attending in Hobart is the public lecture titled 'Our Earth: Who is Responsible', and that ranges in price from $25 to $70 per seat depending on where you want to sit. Its a secular topic as a public talk. I haven't investigated his teachings because they're in Sydney and Melbourne. I attended one of His Holinesses teaching events in Melbourne a few years ago which was great but this time around, I'm more interested in seeing him give a lecture to a non-Buddhist audience on climate change and social responsibility.
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Re: HH Dalai Lama in Australia 1-10 Dec 2009

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:45 pm

Ben wrote:Hi Drolma

Its $AUD500 which is around $US400. And that is for the session/s His Holiness is giving in Sydney which forms part of the conference program.

The session I am attending in Hobart is the public lecture titled 'Our Earth: Who is Responsible', and that ranges in price from $25 to $70 per seat depending on where you want to sit. Its a secular topic as a public talk. I haven't investigated his teachings because they're in Sydney and Melbourne. I attended one of His Holinesses teaching events in Melbourne a few years ago which was great but this time around, I'm more interested in seeing him give a lecture to a non-Buddhist audience on climate change and social responsibility.
Kind regards

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Hi Ben,

I want to be sure I don't sound negative because I love HHDL as much as a person could love someone she hasn't even met. I've read some of his books though and listened to his teachings. And in most TB traditions, most of the high lamas have some sort of samaya with him, which creates an indirect connection for us. So I'm trying to be really cautious with my words here, because I'm a supporter of his. I was just a little startled when I read your post that mentioned the price. I'm so glad that we're only offered the opportunity to give dana at my upcoming event because I'm so broke right now. I would have had trouble coming up with funds to buy a ticket. I guess I'm even more fortunate than I realized!!!

But $25-$75 USD for a seat isn't too bad. Thanks for clarifying :)

The lecture on personal responsibility for the Earth sounds very interesting. That's something that I admire a lot about him; he's so versatile. For example, one time I know he gave a lecture to students on physics. He's made sure to be highly educated and well-versed in many issues that pertain to the everyday person as well as the international arena. I remember reading in a biography somewhere (sorry, I have no reference) that when he was very young, his guru discouraged his interests in mathematics and secular education but HHDL insisted. He said he would need to know about those sorts of things.

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Re: HH Dalai Lama in Australia 1-10 Dec 2009

Postby Aloka » Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:32 am

Regarding the high costs at some of the planned venues for HHDL in different countries - that's controlled by the organisers in advance and nothing to do with HHDL himself. However the costs of his travel and air fares, visas, hosting, accomodation etc all have to come from somewhere. He also will certainly have at least one attendant monk travelling with him - then perhaps there will be bodyguards because of the possibility of ongoing death threats in connection with other matters, and so forth, and of course he's an exiled head of state too. If costs seem very high then perhaps its worthwhile contacting the organisers for more details about where the money goes.

On a lesser scale, when TB teachers come over here from wherever they live abroad, their fares and travel expenses have to come from somewhere and centres are funded entirely by donations . If its a lineage head, then again, there will be at least one attendant travelling with them. Additionally, if a larger venue is required, then the cost of hiring that also has to be covered as well as the other considerations to be made. So unfortunately it is often impossible to provide free teachings.

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Re: HH Dalai Lama in Australia 1-10 Dec 2009

Postby Ben » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:37 am

Hi all
I don't mind paying the $70 for A Reserve tickets. I think its worth it.
I also think that the $500 for the session in the psychology conference will be worth it because it provides a dimension to psychology and to psychologists that isn't there in the mainstream discipline.
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Re: HH Dalai Lama in Australia 1-10 Dec 2009

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:48 pm

Thanks Dazz and Ben. I hope I didn't sound like I was being critical, because that's not how I feel or think of it.
And yes, the costs are very high. I know that I hosted some traveling monks/lamas in my home, and they relied entirely upon people's generosity. In the case of HHDL certainly the costs are even higher for him to travel and teach.

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Re: HH Dalai Lama in Australia 1-10 Dec 2009

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:22 pm

Hi all,

I've thought this over, and I regret my remarks in this thread. In retrospect it would have been better to PM Ben with my questions.

More than anything, I was amazed at my good fortune. And this keeps happening, I keep getting these opportunities despite being disabled with essentially no way to generate income, or certainly extra money for teachings. And yet I receive wangs, empowerments, teachings, retreats, etc.

I can only figure I must have been a decent person last life, to continue to have opportunities to be close to dharma like this. But it's sort of improper how I was musing about this aloud, especially about HHDL.

If the admins could please remove all my comments from this thread, including this one, I'd appreciate it! :)

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Re: HH Dalai Lama in Australia 1-10 Dec 2009

Postby Ben » Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:15 pm

Hi Drolma
There is nothing to apologise for!
Perhaps I was the one in error. My wife tells me that I, without meaning to, can be extremely direct to the point of rudeness. I'm thinking you may have interpreted my directness as being offended? At no point was I offended by anything you said.
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Re: HH Dalai Lama in Australia 1-10 Dec 2009

Postby genkaku » Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:29 pm

Ben -- Can I call you The Rude Dude from Tasmania? It has a nice ring to it. :tongue:
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Re: HH Dalai Lama in Australia 1-10 Dec 2009

Postby Ben » Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:10 am

Dear Adam,

genkaku wrote:Ben -- Can I call you The Rude Dude from Tasmania? It has a nice ring to it. :tongue:


Mate, you don't have to ask! Go ahead! Perhaps it should go in my signature.
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Re: HH Dalai Lama in Australia 1-10 Dec 2009

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:02 am

Ben wrote:Hi Drolma
There is nothing to apologise for!
Perhaps I was the one in error. My wife tells me that I, without meaning to, can be extremely direct to the point of rudeness. I'm thinking you may have interpreted my directness as being offended? At no point was I offended by anything you said.
Metta

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Dear Ben,

Goodness no, it's not you! Me and my big mouth, I wish I had PMed you with my curiosity about the cost.

Reading back, what I wrote doesn't sit quite right with me. It's not that I don't know the general cost of various activities in TB. It's more that I was sort of astonished when I put two and two together and realized I had received my tickets without having given a dime at this point. But it just sort of reads badly, my questions.

One time I had this neat opportunity. A group of monks and lamas came to stay at my house for a week, and I planned and carried out all of their events. I even got to choose what they did, like what teachings, what blessings/wangs (if any), etc. This was my first time doing anything like this, and it was quite a lot of work! But I was astonished at the cost of some of the venues. Just to rent for a few hours, nearly everyone I called asked for what I thought was a ridiculous amount just to rent out some space for a little while. Finally I stumbled upon a church, I think it was Uniterian Church. All they asked for was 10% of the profits which I believe is like tithing. The monks were so happy with me, and I was happy too!

But the cost of advertising for the events was a lot too, when I took out a small add. Aside from that I got them some press at no cost. They're Tibetan refugees who were touring to raise money for a hospital in India for refugees. I got the channel 11 news out to interview them, got them in the local papers, etc. talking about the situation in Tibet. After they were on TV the turnout for the dharma events was a lot better and we received a lot more donations. Those who came to the events and didn't donate were welcomed in anyhow, and some people were very generous in what they gave.

All in all I was so grateful for the experience. And it was a wonderful time having the monks and lamas live in my house for a week. But I know all the cost that went into the events, (and how much more it could have been if I hadn't worked so hard to find something nearly free) and they really relied upon people's generosity in their travels. Of course I handled all the money stuff for them in terms of receiving the funds from people and paying the church for their hospitality. They've been doing this tour in the US for about ten years, and when people don't host them they camp.

So what I mean to say is that I know first hand-the cost involved with much lesser-known monks who are providing teachings or doing sand mandalas or giving blessings or empowerments. The costs involved for HHDL to travel and teach must be more than I can imagine! So what are the chances that my very broke self would have the HHDL coming right to where I live, and that I would be asked to give whatever I can? It's just so auspicious and I feel really grateful. And on top of it, it's at a dharma center so I imagine the gatherings will be on the smaller side.

So I guess if my posts don't sound negative, we can leave it as is. I just wanted to make sure that I don't sound like I'm criticizing him or his travel companions, or anyone involved with HHDL. Or TB in general. Feedback appreciated! :)

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Re: HH Dalai Lama in Australia 1-10 Dec 2009

Postby Aloka » Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:40 am

Hi All,

Perhaps the fault is all mine ?

Just to clarify, my post about costs certainly wasn't meant to be aimed at anyone in particular. It's just that having been involved with offline activites at Tibetan Buddhist centres I know that there are endless 'hidden' expenses and unforseen difficulties in organising travel, venues, and all the other considerations that go with them.

Sometimes people don't realise that - and so I just thought I'd mention it.

No need for worries, friends ! :smile:

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