Why one meal a day?

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Re: Why one meal a day?

Postby timmbuktwo » Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:52 am

Would it not be the best proof to you?

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Re: Why one meal a day?

Postby appicchato » Fri Nov 19, 2010 6:42 am

Timmbuktwo...chill friend, it's a losing battle with the non-believers...know that you're not alone though...

appicchato...twenty years plus one meal a day vegi...

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Re: Why one meal a day?

Postby Hanzze » Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:49 am

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Re: Why one meal a day?

Postby Individual » Sat Nov 20, 2010 1:42 am

Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:The Buddha recommended one meal a day for health reasons. It is untrue that this practice is unhealthy.

In the Bhaddāli Sutta of the Majjhimanikāya the elder Bhaddāli was reluctant to follow this training rule.

In fact, the body can get accustomed to all manner of different routines. While in Burma, I ate two good meals daily — at 5:15 am, and again at 11:00 am. In the Thai forest tradition they eat only once, at about 9:00 am after returning from alms round. It was hard at first, but one soon gets used to it. Nowadays, I usually eat my main meal at about 7:00 am, then take some fruit at 11:00 am.

Eating only in the mornings is no hardship at all once one becomes accustomed to it. The food is thoroughly digested by the following day, and regular bowel motions ensure good health.

This training rule is easy to keep in a monastic environment as food is simply not available after the meal time. For lay people, it is much harder to keep this precept, as they may see food or see others eating, which can make you feel hungry although you have already had sufficient food for nutrition.

I don't know, but this seems plausible.

In my own experiences, hunger has a certain rhythm to it. And the rhythm isn't fixed; it's altered by what we do. If you only eat once a day, you might only be hungry once a day.

But it is important to get proper nutrition. If you only eat once a day, that meal should be somewhat larger than what a lot of other people might eat for one meal.

It also depends on how much activity you get. Monks who engage in vigorous exercise will have to eat much more than those who only teach, read, and meditate.
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Re: Why one meal a day?

Postby alan » Sat Nov 20, 2010 2:33 am

You are correct, Hanzze. Less than one meal a day would probably damage the praxis. Plus, you'd starve to death.

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Re: Why one meal a day?

Postby Paññāsikhara » Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:47 am

appicchato wrote:
appicchato...twenty years plus one meal a day vegi...


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Re: Why one meal a day?

Postby Terasi » Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:55 am

For a layperson with job, would it be wise to try not to eat lunch?
If some times in order to socialise, we have to eat lunch with other people, would the irregularity harm the stomach (especially a stomach with history of ulcer)?

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Re: Why one meal a day?

Postby Ben » Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:28 am

Hi Terasi
Terasi wrote:(especially a stomach with history of ulcer)?

Get treatment for it. It was recently discovered that stomach ulcers were not caused by stress, but because of bacteria. http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv ... mach_ulcer
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Re: Why one meal a day?

Postby Ben » Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:42 am

Hanzze wrote:Maybe the bacteria like the stressed one more :-) Metta-meditation to the bacterias helps.

I remember watching a documentary profile on the australian guy who made the discovery and eventually received the nobel prize for science/medicine for it. He said that the testing methodology ruled out stress as a contributing factor.
Hanzze wrote:Metta-meditation to the bacterias helps.

Yes, maybe.
Anyway,its time to get back on topic.
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Re: Why one meal a day?

Postby timmbuktwo » Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:33 am

Terasi wrote:For a layperson with job, would it be wise to try not to eat lunch?
If some times in order to socialise, we have to eat lunch with other people, would the irregularity harm the stomach (especially a stomach with history of ulcer)?


If you were to "skip" one meal, lunch should not be the one . If you were to miss 2 , lunch should not be the one. Socializing and eating do not have to be equal , au-contraire they can be beneficial as opposites . Ulcer is from an unhealthy system (body-more specific digestive system) , skipping one or two meals (that are seen as normal in modern society) and eating proper foods at the other(s) will quickly solve that problem . Bacteria is in all of us, and is a must for us to be alive, killing it as many scientists propose is in fact doing same to ourselves. Again if some need "links/proof" of this it can be acquired with relative ease through google searches .

Best of health to you and good luck with your own healing, kindly pass on lunch only as your last meal or in time of fasting .

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Hanzze , bacteria does enjoy a stressful system , well said, and it can thrive in a healthy relaxed system as well, each will reap that which they sow. Bacteria is there to start life and as well to finish it.

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Re: Why one meal a day?

Postby alan » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:00 am

Eat healthful food every 3 hours or so. Exercise. Do Yoga. Get good sleep.
Not really difficult, is it?

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Re: Why one meal a day?

Postby lojong1 » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:28 am

yes

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Re: Why one meal a day?

Postby timmbuktwo » Wed Nov 24, 2010 4:32 am

lojong1 wrote:yes


which part are you having difficulty with?

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Re: Why one meal a day?

Postby metta_noob » Thu Dec 23, 2010 6:40 pm

is there another thread that explains why no eating after mid-day when you're observing the 8 precepts? I've always wanted to figure out the real reason why midday.

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Re: Why one meal a day?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Fri Dec 24, 2010 12:42 am

The Pāli says just "eating at the wrong time" (vikāla bojjhanā).
If making a rule then you need a limit. Since there were no clocks in the Buddha's time, between dawn (first light) and midday was easily observable.

Should any bhikkhu chew or consume staple or non-staple food at the wrong time, it is to be confessed.

Plenty more food for thought at the above link, and some helpful standards applicable for lay people observing the eight precepts, e.g. you can take juice, honey, or sweet drinks at any time, but not milk.
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Re: Why one meal a day?

Postby metta_noob » Fri Dec 24, 2010 4:50 am

Thank you for the link bhante. Unfortunately, I haven't found the reason for the rule there. I'm sure there's a good reason for it and I guess it'll be an itch that won't go away.

I've been to the local temple and observed danas. The lay people would very enthusiastically offer lots of food to the monks (to accumulate merits, I guess) and many times I'm amazed at the volume of food they consume in one sitting. At the local temple, the monks have morning and lunch dana ie 2 meals. I've noticed that most of the monks are not exactly slim and trim. And some monks have told me that diabetes is a common problem. Hence my curiosity about the reason for the rule. I understand about moderation and eating for sustenance but I always wondered if the rule might inadvertently encourage a "stockpiling" eating pattern.

Btw, one chinese monk explained that the Buddha forbade eating after midday because their alms rounds were in the mornings and the excess food unconsumed would go bad later in the day because there was no refrigeration then. He said that there was a case where a monk ate the left over food later in the day and fell ill. Hence the rule. Sounds logical but is that the real reason for the rule? Or even the only reason for the rule?

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Re: Why one meal a day?

Postby David N. Snyder » Fri Dec 24, 2010 4:25 pm

The Buddha praised moderation in eating (Sn.707) and encouraged this in his monks and nuns. To this end and for reasons of health, he made a rule that they should not eat after noon.

‘I do not eat in the evening and thus I am free from illness and affliction and enjoy health, strength and ease’
(M.I,473).

The Buddha also suggested to his disciples that they recite these words as a reflection before eating. ‘We will eat in moderation. Reflecting wisely we will not eat for fun, for amusement or for physical attractiveness but only for the maintenance and continuance of this body, for allaying the discomfort of hunger, for assisting in living the holy life and with the thought “I will end the old desires and not give rise to new ones and thus be healthy, blameless and live in comfort” ’ (M.I,273).

Taking the 8 precepts is sort of like going on a mini-retreat where there is more intensive practice. To this end, following some of the bhikkhu / bhikkhuni precpts is advisable to have better concentration, tranquility for the practice. In addition:

1. It is good for health, to consume all the food at once and walk (exercise it off later).
2. It places less of a burden on lay people who will only need to provide food for one meal, instead of many meals.
3. It allows for more time to be spent on the practice and teaching of Dhamma.

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Re: Why one meal a day?

Postby Paul Davy » Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:50 pm

Greetings,

An interesting article I encountered that reminded me of this topic...

Eating one meal per day may promote positive changes in health
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... n27263642/

I know from personal experience that I don't do enough physical exercise to justify the consumption of three meals each day... I suspect the same could be said for many other people whose work often has them sat in front of a computer.

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Precepts: Not eating after mid-day / Avoiding lofty beds

Postby Nori » Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:39 am

I am just wondering if anybody on the forum has followed the precepts of not eating after mid-day or avoiding lofty beds (most standard beds are considered "lofty beds") continuously for many years?

If so, it would be nice if you can share your experience on how it brought some benefit or how it may have changed your disposition.

(Also - does hunger in the evenings go away after some period of time?)

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Re: Precepts: Not eating after mid-day / Avoiding lofty beds

Postby ground » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:43 am

Nori wrote:...continuously for many years?


I am wondering too, if there is anybody like this here :smile: Perhaps asking like this isn't the best way to get a response at all ...

Or you expect replies from ordained people only ...

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