Temporary ordination practicalities

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Re: Temporary ordination practicalities

Postby rowyourboat » Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:50 pm

What l ike about that is that they have the Right view, that such a thing as karma exists and that that there are spiritually superior beings among the bikkhu sangha who as a collective are worthy of respect. Here are people who's belief in karma is not limited to belief but spills over into action, suggesting a strong Right view capable of giving rise to the rest of the Noble eightfold path.

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Re: Temporary ordination practicalities

Postby Goofaholix » Thu Nov 04, 2010 4:41 am

rowyourboat wrote:What l ike about that is that they have the Right view, that such a thing as karma exists and that that there are spiritually superior beings among the bikkhu sangha who as a collective are worthy of respect. Here are people who's belief in karma is not limited to belief but spills over into action, suggesting a strong Right view capable of giving rise to the rest of the Noble eightfold path.


Ever been to Thailand?
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Re: Temporary ordination practicalities

Postby rowyourboat » Sun Nov 07, 2010 3:56 pm

Goofaholix wrote:
rowyourboat wrote:What l ike about that is that they have the Right view, that such a thing as karma exists and that that there are spiritually superior beings among the bikkhu sangha who as a collective are worthy of respect. Here are people who's belief in karma is not limited to belief but spills over into action, suggesting a strong Right view capable of giving rise to the rest of the Noble eightfold path.


Ever been to Thailand?

:tongue:

Sure, that must be tempered by the understanding that the rounds of births and deaths are unsatisfactory. Otherwise there was be just 'merit-making' and little practice.
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Re: Temporary ordination practicalities

Postby fabianfred » Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:33 pm

rowyourboat wrote:Sure, that must be tempered by the understanding that the rounds of births and deaths are unsatisfactory. Otherwise there was be just 'merit-making' and little practice.

Unfortunately many Thais, and even monks, think that escape from Samsara is virtually impossible in this day and age, so they do not even try.
Making merit leads to a better rebirth....still stuck in the prison.
Being good is not enough to escape....that requires much effort.

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Re: Temporary ordination practicalities

Postby Hanzze » Sat Nov 13, 2010 10:59 am

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Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Temporary ordination practicalities

Postby rowyourboat » Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:57 pm

It makes me sad that we in the so called enlightened West, have such a difficult time accepting that enlightenment is possible - and find it difficult to accept that there might be enlightened people/monks/individuals in this world -and that it is possible for us to be the same.

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Re: Temporary ordination practicalities

Postby rowyourboat » Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:28 pm

fabianfred wrote:
rowyourboat wrote:Sure, that must be tempered by the understanding that the rounds of births and deaths are unsatisfactory. Otherwise there was be just 'merit-making' and little practice.

Unfortunately many Thais, and even monks, think that escape from Samsara is virtually impossible in this day and age, so they do not even try.
Making merit leads to a better rebirth....still stuck in the prison.
Being good is not enough to escape....that requires much effort.


Hi Fabianfred

Yes, that is a good point. Would you recommend temporary ordination? If so what benefits do you see in it?

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Re: Temporary ordination practicalities

Postby Phra Chuntawongso » Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:28 am

mikenz66 wrote:
Nanadhaja wrote:... and of course the thrill the Thai people get when they spot Phra Falang.

Yes, should be interesting. I found it mind-blowing enough just being on alms round with my American teacher in Bangkok (in the role of carrying what was offered after it had been into his bowl). We came back to the Wat with about three shopping bags full of food...

Even being on 8 precepts at my local Wat I can get a small taste of this. Apparently last weekend people were competing to be able to bring a meal to my kuti... And I had to share two thirds of the meal with the birds, otherwise I'd be asleep all afternoon :popcorn:

Mike

Hi Mike.
Well I have done the travelling from a non buddhist nation to a buddhist nation while in robes and it certainly is a new experience.From having women reallocated seats on one aircraft as I was seated in the middle of two ladies and the Thai cabin crew wouldn't allow that(Malaysia-Thailand)to be upgraded to first class on an already discounted ticket on another aircraft.(Bangkok to Chiang Mai)Priority through immigration and at check in.Half price bus tickets,the list goes goes on.
I hope that if you do ordain in Aotearoa then head for the Land of Smiles you will see for yourself the incredible difference in attitude.It takes a little getting used to.
Anyway I am now settling into my new temple.The same place as fabianfred.My next experience is that of getting my monks passport and visa sorted.I am waiting to hear from the head Abbot of the area as to whether or not they will accept my ordination papers from Malaysia.If they don't I will have to re-ordain here in Thailand,but the Abbot here says that will be no problem if we need to.
I will keep you all informed of things as the progress.
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Re: Temporary ordination practicalities

Postby mikenz66 » Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:35 am

Welcome back Venerable.

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Re: Temporary ordination practicalities

Postby fabianfred » Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:32 am

rowyourboat wrote:It makes me sad that we in the so called enlightened West, have such a difficult time accepting that enlightenment is possible - and find it difficult to accept that there might be enlightened people/monks/individuals in this world -and that it is possible for us to be the same.

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our egos often rebel at the thought that there might be better people out there than ourselves...

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Re: Temporary ordination practicalities

Postby fabianfred » Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:35 am

rowyourboat wrote:
fabianfred wrote:
rowyourboat wrote:Sure, that must be tempered by the understanding that the rounds of births and deaths are unsatisfactory. Otherwise there was be just 'merit-making' and little practice.

Unfortunately many Thais, and even monks, think that escape from Samsara is virtually impossible in this day and age, so they do not even try.
Making merit leads to a better rebirth....still stuck in the prison.
Being good is not enough to escape....that requires much effort.


Hi Fabianfred

Yes, that is a good point. Would you recommend temporary ordination? If so what benefits do you see in it?

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Matheesha

the effort required does not need temporaory ordination...or even full.... but constant practice...such as at an intensive meditation retreat....for as long as possible. :heart:

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Re: Temporary ordination practicalities

Postby nissaranamagga » Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:34 pm

Hello,

The temporary ordination program conducted by Buddhistcc is a very good one. It is carried on at the Dekanduwala meditation centre which is in Horana. It is not a meditation retreat but an over all training in dhamma which runs according to a daily schedule consisting of studies, meditation, and other day to day chores of novice monks.

In fact i went through this program in 2005 and it was one of the happiest periods of my life. They also conduct a one year long tripitaka training program for which also you will have to get ordained.

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