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Re: Tantra

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Re: Tantra

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The best things in life aren't things.


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Re: Tantra

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Re: Tantra

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The best things in life aren't things.


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Re: Tantra

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Re: Tantra

Postby Yeshe » Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:01 pm

It would be interesting to know if Hindu Tantra did actually precede Buddhist Tantra.

I remember reading somewhere that, for example, Vajrayogini was not derived from Hindu Kalias some suppose, because Vajrayogini appears in texts some 200 years before Kali (as the black Ma Kali emanation of Durga).

Is it not possible that, as both are based in the same culture, both grew together rather than one feeding the other in a linear way?

The NIkayas are not evidence that Buddha taught nothing else. In fact, there is no written record of exactly what he did teach, other than that memorised and later recorded, translated into Pali etc etc. The Pali canon and the Theravada 'elders' were not far ahead in time of the Mahayana 'elders' or Sanskrit texts.

In the end, Tantra is simply a method of training the mind to accept that 'reality' is illusory; and that the use of a Yidam enables us to focus on desirable qualities such as universal compassion . As such it differs hugely from Hindu Tantra as the worship of aspects of God through the pantheon of deities.

I am delighted that there are so many paths which suit those who wish to follow a Buddhist path.
It is fine for someone to claim that a teaching is not in the Nikayas. It is not fine for them to claim: 'Buddha did not teach that'. The foundation of all of the paths is the same, the objective is the same and the fact that they criss-cross and adapt to culture should not result in anyone claiming superiority or pre-eminence;)

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Re: Tantra

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Re: Tantra

Postby gavesako » Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:19 pm

"Na hi bhikkhave hinena aggassa patti hoti" (Nidana-samyutta)

Monks, there is no attainment of the highest through that which is low.


That says it quite clearly, I think.
Bhikkhu Gavesako
Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)

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Re: Tantra

Postby Yeshe » Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:25 pm

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Tantric Buddhism and Hinduism aren't really very distinct. Both involve an unhealthy, misguided focus on guru devotion, magic, and deity worship, largely the same deities too, although with slightly different names.[/quote]

This post has been reported as sectarian and insulting. The assertion of 'worship' displays an awesome ignorance and intolerance which is not befitting a Buddhist.

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Re: Tantra

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:35 pm

I have unlocked this thread per a user's request.

Please be mindful of what you post, even if you strongly disagree with what is said or with a particular schools of Buddhism.

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Re: Tantra

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Re: Tantra

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:47 am

Snowmelt, that's really nice, thanks. You won't upset me.
I'm not upset, just concerned about where this discussion is leading. Image


Dan, I know what you're saying and I think it's cool. Thank you very much.
I appreciate your open mind and your respect for traditions outside of your own. :heart:


It would be improper for me to publicly address the points Dave has brought up regarding purification and so forth.
But Dave knows we can talk in private. (If I would just be attentive to emails for once in my life) :hug:


I can't discuss this because I'm not qualified to introduce people to tantra, and if it's discussed outside of a person being properly introduced by a legitimate teacher it can be harmful for a plethora of reasons. This has been evidenced even in this little thread by the comments about vajrayana being evil and demonic. I didn't request that this thread be closed, but I think it was mindful of Tilt to close it. And as far as the deep histories of these traditions I'm certainly not educated enough to compare and contrast! Maybe someone more scholarly than myself else will chime in.

Best wishes for all,
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Re: Tantra

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:44 am

Per participant request I have closed this thread, again.


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