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Kathavatthu

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Kathavatthu

Postby Wizard in the Forest » Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:57 am

What were some important points that were refuted (out of the 252 points of contention) in the Kathavatthu?

I don't see many places where I can get a translation of the Kathavatthu and the only one I found online was in Pali, and I'm not good enough with the language to feel confident to read it all. What were some points brought up?
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Re: Kathavatthu

Postby Annapurna » Tue Dec 14, 2010 7:25 am

Here is the Kathavatthu suttha:

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

But I don't understand why you want to refute points in that suttha? Don't you agree with it?

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Re: Kathavatthu

Postby cooran » Tue Dec 14, 2010 7:32 am

Hello Annapurna,

This topic is in the Abhidhamma sub-forum. :smile:

Kathāvatthu (Pāli) (abbrev. Kv, Kvu), translated as "Points of Controversy", is a Buddhist scripture, one of the seven books in the Theravada Abhidhamma Pitaka. The text contrasts the orthodox Theravada position on a range of issues to the heterodox views of various interlocutors; the latter are not identified in the primary source text, but were speculatively identified with specific schools of thought in the (historically subsequent) commentaries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathavatthu

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Re: Kathavatthu

Postby Wizard in the Forest » Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:24 pm

There's no illustration of the points in the wiki. That's why I asked about it.
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Re: Kathavatthu

Postby cooran » Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:13 pm

Hello Wizard,

There isn’t much translated and online. Pariyatti (if in North America) or the Pali Text Society Websites may be helpful – but possibly expensive unless vitally interested.

Your best bet is to join Dhammastudygroup http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dhammastudygroup/ if you aren’t already a member, and go to their Files section. Click on ‘’ Useful_Posts_2010-12.htm - Useful posts (with links) updated December 2010’’ and read any threads listed under ''K'' on Katavatthu.
Many members of Dhammastudygroup are well-versed in the intricacies of the the Abhidhamma and commentaries, and I find them a very valuable resource.

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Re: Kathavatthu

Postby Kare » Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:33 pm

The best and most detailed information about Kathavatthu is probably found in Nyanatiloka: "Guide to the Abhidhamma-Pitaka": http://www.wisdom-books.com/ProductDetail.asp?PID=2539
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Re: Kathavatthu

Postby cooran » Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:08 pm

Hello Kare,

Thanks for your recommendation. I've ordered it as a Christmas Present for myself. :smile:

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Re: Kathavatthu

Postby Kare » Wed Dec 15, 2010 12:26 am

Mettāya,
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Re: Kathavatthu

Postby Wizard in the Forest » Wed Dec 15, 2010 12:38 am

Those jokes are adorable by the way. I'm not good at jokes, which is why I posted the link for nerd jokes
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But I will take a look at this commentary on the Abhidhamma.
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Re: Kathavatthu

Postby cooran » Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:55 am

---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
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Re: Kathavatthu

Postby icyteru » Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:36 am

you can read it in my blog. :anjali:
The most complete english tipitaka on the internet world.


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