Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

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Re: Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

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Re: Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

Postby Sanghamitta » Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:08 pm

It depends what you mean by meditative practices. If you mean reflecting the nature of Devas as described in the Canon...then no.
If you mean practices that start by initiation by a Guru figure into visualisation with concomitant "mantras" which somehow connect between the "Kayas".... in order to realise the essential emptiness of phenomena...then absolutely that is contamination from the Vedanta.
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Re: Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

Postby Hanzze » Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:12 pm

Dear Friends,

there are no scared texts or any special hidden. Those ancient suttas cared by the Theravada are just empty. Empty of sectarian, empty of schools, empty of any "I" or "ours".
It is just as Buddha explained in the sutta of Alagaddupama Sutta (allready posted) It is a very important sutta to keep the original teaching alive as it should be. And also dear gavesako has already posted, that what should not be ignored.
It is very important to discover the ancient way of the 9th and 10th century, because they will provide a possible way for many layman today. "Original Theravada" is a way of ordination and keeping precepts very strict and not easy to make archive in this days.
There is no Mara outside of us. Aversion and adherence are the qualities of Mara.

Please let the dhamma empty, other wise it will be eaten by Mara. No need to combat. Please

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Re: Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

Postby Sanghamitta » Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:18 pm

Hanzze I am a practitioner of Theravada Buddhism. Do not dismiss me or the Tradition that I am part of.
You are posting on a Theravadin Forum in subforum called Theravada for the Moden World.
in order to say that the Theravada does not exist
Apart from anything else its downright crassly offensive.
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Re: Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

Postby Karma Dondrup Tashi » Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:22 pm

Touchy, touchy.

I wonder if the Blessed One himself was this touchy.

:jumping:

:rofl:

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Re: Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

Postby Sanghamitta » Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:26 pm

The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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Re: Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

Postby m0rl0ck » Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:30 pm

“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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Re: Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

Postby Hanzze » Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:31 pm

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Re: Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

Postby Sanghamitta » Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:35 pm

I am not harmed Hannzze I am seriously offended by your words. Dont tell me not be offended. that would be even more offensive.
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Re: Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

Postby Hanzze » Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:48 pm

_/\_
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Re: Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

Postby bodom » Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:52 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
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Re: Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

Postby Sanghamitta » Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:56 pm

By "some people " you mean me Bodom... :lol: Its Ok I am a big girl I can take it...And I am glad to know where I stand in your eyes.
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Re: Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

Postby Sanghamitta » Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:57 pm

The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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Re: Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:29 pm

What a pain in the ass.

The problem is not the Theravada, but it is the Mahayana and the assumption it has built into its very structure of holding itself as being superior and as being the arbiter of all things Buddhists. It has constructed the towering edifice of the bodhisattva path, an impossibly complex path, claiming of itself the greatest nobility and anything else is, compared to that, of a considerably lesser standing (to understate it). Whatever insights that various Mahayanists have brought forth over the ages, as they have confronted the human condition in terms of anicca, dukkha, anatta and paticcasamuppada, those insight get all too easily lost in the dualistic bodhisattva construct that really runs counter to the better impulses of the Buddha's teachings.

The Theravada does not need the Mahayana, but if one is so inclined there is no reason not to study whatever aspect of the Mahayana that might grab one's fancy. There are things to be found that really are quite interesting and useful, but I strongly reject any implication - directly or indirectly - that the Theravada must measure itself in Mahayana terms or against the Mahayana. And that is the problem with the Mahayana structure, it tends force that sort of comparison by its self proclaimed superiority.

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Re: Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:30 pm

Moderator note: Play nice. No need for personal comments, direct or indirect.

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Re: Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

Postby rowyourboat » Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:45 pm

Indeed -thank you Tilt,

Now -can we be good dhamma practitioners (Theravadins and Mahayanists that is..) and learn to live to gether without attacking each other? Is it too much to ask? Can we actually be civil to each other and respect (if not tolerate) each others take on the world? I rather prefer clear mahayana - theravada classification rather than elements within each pretending to be something they are not (like 'vipassana' teachers for example).

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Re: Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

Postby Hanzze » Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:48 pm

"Wrong practice of the Buddha Dhamma.":

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Re: Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

Postby Sanghamitta » Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:53 pm

The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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Re: Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

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Re: Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

Postby Hanzze » Tue Dec 14, 2010 5:19 pm

_/\_
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