Setting mindfulness to the fore--lit. the front of chest?

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Setting mindfulness to the fore--lit. the front of chest?

Postby starter » Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:26 am

Hi friend,

I just noticed that in Ven. Thanissaro's translation of DN22: "There is the case where a monk — having gone to the wilderness, to the shade of a tree, or to an empty building — sits down folding his legs crosswise, holding his body erect and setting mindfulness to the fore [lit: the front of the chest]".

I don't know the pali word used for "the fore", but according to the inserted note, it seems that we should probably set our mindfulness to the front of the chest? To me the chest part is more sensible during breathing and it's probably better than focusing on the nostril, which is too restricted and could cause blood fixation on that spot. But why none of the translations I've found so far actually translated "the fore" into "the front of the chest"?

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Re: Setting mindfulness to the fore--lit. the front of chest?

Postby bodom » Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:45 am

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


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Re: Setting mindfulness to the fore--lit. the front of chest?

Postby starter » Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:16 am

Hi bodom,

Thanks a lot for the help. Then I wonder why Ven. Thanissaro indicated "lit. the front of chest", which doesn't seem to be the case. Metta,

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Re: Setting mindfulness to the fore--lit. the front of chest?

Postby Reductor » Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:49 am

Its also important to try different places to see which one does it for you, rather then get hung up on the literalness of the word. Esp. when that word is already ambiguous.

But since the experience of body is step 3 in anapanasati, I would suggest you start your meditation by focusing on the more general sense of breathing rather than narrow your focus to a particular spot. After you have those first two steps well in hand, then find a bodily fixation point.

That's not really pertinent to the OP I know, but its a tip that comes to mind just now.

Best of luck.

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Re: Setting mindfulness to the fore--lit. the front of chest?

Postby starter » Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:58 pm

Hi thereductor,

Thanks for your helpful tip. I split this topic to a new thread in Meditation subforum:

Anapanasati - better the whole body breathe in/out or fix on one spot?

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Re: Setting mindfulness to the fore--lit. the front of chest?

Postby Goofaholix » Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:35 am

I think it means the foremost importance, nothing to do with a physical position.

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