MN Session 7 - MN 135. Cūḷakammavibhanga Sutta

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Re: MN Session 7 - MN 135. Cūḷakammavibhanga Sutta

Postby jcsuperstar » Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:29 pm

so youre saying it would be something like i got hit by lightning because of a past life? or can it be something as simple as i got hit by lightning cause i chose to walk in the rain? which would be my kamma after all... so i could see a link there. but what i cant see is that my kamma controls the weather. i can clearly understand about being ugly or blind etc, but a meteor shower or tsunami etc i have a harder time seeing as somehow controled by my kamma...
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Re: MN Session 7 - MN 135. Cūḷakammavibhanga Sutta

Postby jcsuperstar » Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:44 pm

hmmm or is it not that my kamma caused the meteor to hit me, but rather my kamma lead me to be the type of dolt that plays in a meteor shower? that makes sense...

and also makes it possible to be the kind of dolt that learns from a mistake too...

but how does this work with say tsunami victims or katrina victims? do they really "deserve" what they get?

and if so is it okay to let them suffer to "pay off karmic debt" or should we take the attitude that even if they deserve it it is in our and their best interest to step in?
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Re: MN Session 7 - MN 135. Cūḷakammavibhanga Sutta

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Re: MN Session 7 - MN 135. Cūḷakammavibhanga Sutta

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:13 pm

If someone makes , perhaps the fruit of that kamma is having one's own life saved in a future life, whereas standing by and doing nothing might result in being left to “suffer one's fate” in the future?

The Tsunami, lightning storm, or a meteor shower is just the proximate cause for death or injury. It is not the root cause. We saw that although there were many victims, there were also remarkable instances of escapes and rescues.

The makes it clear that not all effects are due to past kamma.

The Buddhist doctrine of Kamma is clearly not fatalism. We inherit our kamma, are born from it, and are related to it, but we also have (present) kamma as our refuge to escape from suffering. Studying and discussing the texts, meditating, practising morality, and so forth are all wholesome kammas. While engaged in performing those wholesome kammas, we have no time for doing unwholesome kammas. Conversely, those who are wasting their lives pursuing sensual pleasures only, are missing the very precious opportunity to accumulate kusala kamma and pāramī, even if they are abiding by the basic precepts.

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Re: MN Session 7 - MN 135. Cūḷakammavibhanga Sutta

Postby jcsuperstar » Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:50 am

thanks everyone for asking questions and to our venerables for providing such great answers!! i've really learned a lot!
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Re: MN Session 7 - MN 135. Cūḷakammavibhanga Sutta

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: MN Session 7 - MN 135. Cūḷakammavibhanga Sutta

Postby jcsuperstar » Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:59 pm

i'm gonna shut this one now, i guess if you have any more questions about kamma and how it works we can start a new thread..
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