Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

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Re: Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

Postby Hanzze » Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:53 am

Excellent! Excellent! Excellent!

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Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

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Re: Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

Postby saltspring » Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:56 pm

Great post Tilt, thanks

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Re: Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

Postby clw_uk » Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:23 pm

Thanks Tilt very insightful :goodpost:
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Re: Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

Postby Hoo » Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:01 pm

I'm glad this discussion hasn't fallen to the level of name-calling. In my experience in other forums, it usually does when this topic arises. IMHO, after reading 4 pages of this stuff, however, it strikes me as no more important than arguments about which team is best. "I like the Packers...I like the Colts" and it could stop right there without all the wasted words.

I once commented to someone that the Vajrayana is not the measure of Buddhism, nor is it the superior model to be followed by all. To me, threads like this tell me that neither is Mahayana, nor is Threavada. All three are just positions, ways to build a raft, statements of view, beliefs of people and words of people talking about the Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha. Wouldn't it be better to talk about the joy and liberation of living the Dhamma? If we all just lived our understanding of the Dhamma, there would be little time for arguing about Dhamma.

With respect to all, I ask if you think the comments made in this thread were of any use or help to anyone but the ones who spoke them? I didn't see any illumninating words that lead me toward the Mahayana, but my "team" tends to be Theravada.

Typically, though, I don't look for words with which to be impressed. I look for the qualities of the person as an indicator of whether that team is worth considering. If the members don't evidence the impact of the teachings, I have little interest.

But that's just my take on it and views are like noses - everybody has one. So feel free to ignore mine, and I wish you joy in the practice of yours.

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Re: Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

Postby alan » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:29 am

Tilt,
Your post at 4:25 am was superb. Thank you. Knowledge and insight at that level makes reading DW a real pleasure.

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A matter of personal practice

Postby Jechbi » Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:59 pm

"Just like the Mahayana, the Theravada holds the Bodhisattva in the highest position." From .

In any form of Buddhist practice, the approach we take only is beneficial to the extent that it inclines toward liberation. Each of us uses terms and ideas as part of our particular path at this moment, regardless of whether we label ourselves according to "Theravada" or "Mahayana" or anything else. When the term "Hinayana" is used to refer to Theravada, it's inaccurate. But when it is used in context, and as a pointer to a level of personal spiritual unfolding, the term "Hinayana" has its legitimate place.

The Boddhisattva ideal can be a great reminder of where we still need to work in our practice.

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Re: Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

Postby Wizard in the Forest » Sun Dec 26, 2010 7:25 pm

I've never seen the Bodhisattva ideal used to enhance practice. I've seen it used to say "I don't need to practice, I'm already a buddha with Buddha nature, so what I've got to do is save all the other non-Buddhas I see in front of me". That's not enhancing practice last I have seen. It's only seeing the dirt in someone else's eye when you're caked in mud.
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Re: Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

Postby Wizard in the Forest » Sun Dec 26, 2010 7:44 pm

I've seen this pattern too many times for it to be assumed as a coincidence. You've seen it too, it seems.
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Re: Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

Postby Wizard in the Forest » Sun Dec 26, 2010 8:13 pm

I don't curb my awareness of others. That makes things more complicated. I regard them, but I also recognize the patterns with such teachings.
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Re: Bodhisattva Path: Historical Aspects In Theravāda

Postby ground » Mon Dec 27, 2010 9:37 am

Considering the quotes provided by tiltbillings in , especially AN IV.95, AN VII.64, SN XVI.5 I agree that the heavily conceptually pre-loaded term "bodhisattva" may be misplaced in the context of what the "Theravada ideal" is anyway.


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