Agganna Sutta

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Postby yuttadhammo » Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:11 pm

And as to the OP, it really depends what you mean by metaphysics... devas and brahmas are just as much a part of the causal universe as are we, they are just less physical.

It is important to distinguish between Abrahamic conceptions of God and creation and their corresponding Indic conceptions. The former are outside of the laws of nature, the latter are within them. This story is not discussing the creation of the universe, just the recent past. Nor is it discussing eternal supernatural beings, it is pointing out that no such beings exist.

Really, I think the point of the story is to show that we are on a downward slope based on our ever increasing attachment and clinging to the physical. This is very much in line with the Buddha's teaching that craving is the cause of suffering. If it is not true, how could it work as evidence to support the teaching?




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Re: Agganna Sutta

Postby clw_uk » Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:23 pm

Forgot about this thread :jumping:


I agree with Tilt


Also, I dont subscribe to Rebirth being a part of Buddhas teachings however I will say that one can take this sutta non-literally and still hold a view of rebirth
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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Agganna Sutta

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Note the words in bold, which show that there are at least some discourses where the meaning is to be inferred and the literal meaning will be wrong. [/quote]

If you were to tell me that you were going to the store, and I were to "infer" that you planned to buy something, does that mean that I would be taking your statement metaphorically? There were times when the Buddha gave his sermons in brief without elaborating on the details of their meanings (the Madhupindika Sutta is a prime example). He expected his disciples to infer such details, but that doesn't mean that they were expected to take what he had to say metaphorically.

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Sometimes no Buddhas arise in the world. Sometimes they do. When it happens, it is for the welfare and happiness of men, out of compassion for all creatures. For a long, long time he has been working to become a Buddha. He met other Buddhas along the way. And after his long striving he attains his final life, yet not without showing everyone else how to get there.

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Re: Agganna Sutta

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Re: Agganna Sutta

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