mikenz66 wrote:Furthermore, there are many meditation teachers who do not make much use (if at all) of the Visuddhimagga progress map.
anyone beyond second insight knowledge is already a cula-sotapanna (sp?) - someone assured of becoming a sotapanna (at least) by the end of the same life...
Would someone in the know about these matters know whether Goenka has a document for his assistant teachers regarding the insight knowledges?
parth wrote:My understanding is that Cula Sotapanna status assures next life as human / human plus at a place Vipassana is practised, rest depends on one's practise.
Cula-sotapanna or the Virtuous One
To understand Dependent Origination or to gain Knowledge in comprehending the Law of Causality enables one to discard the three aforesaid Wrong Views of No-cause, Unjustified Cause of Creation, and misleading belief in past-kamma alone. In fact this Knowledge equips one to be a virtuous one, ever freed from the ignoble destinies of the Four Lower Worlds, a Cula-sotapanna, a future-stream-winner' - so the Commentaries say. Hence a goal well worth striving for.
XIX, 26. For this is said: 'Understanding of discernment of
conditions thus "Ignorance is a condition, formations are
conditionally arisen, and both these states are conditionally arisen
is knowledge of the causal relationship of states' ...
27. When a man practising insight has become possessed of this
knowledge, he has found comfort in the Buddhas' dispensation, he has
found a foothold, he is certain of his destiny, he is called a
legolas wrote:tiltbillings wrote:My teacher is better than yours. So there!!!
Or, my nanna is better than yours!
rowyourboat wrote:Hi Smokey
I know many many people who have gained this insight knowledge! It is the first one and not that difficult to gain insight into. You CAN do it with the help of meditation teacher who teaches insight meditation.
here are some clues:
moments of experiences are discrete, not continuous
every moment of experience contains a material component and a mental component
rupa: patavi,apo,tejo,vayo, nama: phassa, vedana,sanna,cetana, manasikara
the point of this insight is to understand that even a single moment of experience is made up of multiple mental and physical components- there by fracturing reality- actually seeing this, not just knowing
this is the first blow to breaking and dismantalling ignorance or avijja, hence letting go when all the reference points collapse and the drawbacks (adinava), the unsatisfactoriness is seen.
rowyourboat wrote:Hi Smokey
I know many many people who have gained this insight knowledge! It is the first one and not that difficult to gain insight into.
“…and though he built a monastery for the monks, the fruit of sincerely taking refuge in the Buddha, Dhamma and the Sangha would have been greater.”
“…and though he sincerely took refuge in the Buddha, Dhamma and the Sangha, the fruit of sincerely undertaking the Five Moral Precepts would have been greater.”
“…and though he sincerely undertook the Five Precepts, the fruit of developing (concentration on radiating) metta, even for just to the extent of a whiff of scent, would have been greater.”
“…and though he developed universal lovingkindness, the fruit of cultivating the awareness of anicca-even for the moment of a finger snap-would have been greater.”
"This was said by the Blessed One, said by the Arahant, so I have heard: "Remain focused, monks, on the foulness of the body. Have mindfulness of in-&-out breathing well established to the fore within you. Remain focused on the inconstancy of all fabrications. For one who remains focused on the foulness of the body, the obsession with passion for the property of beauty is abandoned. For one who has mindfulness of in-&-out breathing well established to the fore within oneself, annoying external thoughts & inclinations don't exist. For one who remains focused on the inconstancy of all fabrications, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises."
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... ml#iti-085
rowyourboat wrote:Hi Ansdkant,
Yes, the Truth can be shocking, especially if the dhamma has not been 'well penetrated in terms of views'. The same thing happened to a couple of my friends when they understood Anatta, while doing vipassana on a retreat with Ven Amathagavesi. Other nanas like bhanga nana, bhaya and aadinava are even more unsettling, if there is little preparation. It is indeed seeing the truth in this way that leads to 'unshakeable faith' (aveccapasada) in the Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha. This is quite a different aspect of the dhamma than what is 'advertised'- as you have experienced it is not all 'mindfulness, bliss and beyond'.
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