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Vipassana - Insight Knowledge

On the cultivation of insight/wisdom
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Re: Vipassana - Insight Knowledge

Postby mikenz66 » Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:15 am

Hi RYB,

I'm still not completely sure why you are using the existence of a particular document as a criterion. Such documentation may well exist within Goenka's organisation. Sayadaw Mahasi's Progress of Insight was, according to the introduction, originally intended simply to guide his assistants.

Furthermore, there are many meditation teachers who do not make much use (if at all) of the Visuddhimagga progress map.

I think that it is quite reasonable to say something like:
"I'm following teachers who use this map and this approach, so I'm not going to worry too much about those who don't, and I can't really comment on their approach."
But you seem to be going much further and saying:
"Teachers who don't provide this specific map in a way that is satisfactory to me are not teaching correctly."

There may be other reasons for doubting whether particular teachers are teaching correctly. They might, for example, make claims that are in blatant contradiction of the suttas. It could be useful to point that out. But to dismiss someone for not talking enough about the insight maps seems a little odd. It's not something that teachers would normally spend much time discussing with their students in any case.

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Postby tiltbillings » Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:15 am

My teacher is better than yours. So there!!!

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Postby rowyourboat » Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:31 pm

Would someone in the know about these matters know whether Goenka has a document for his assistant teachers regarding the insight knowledges?

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Postby rowyourboat » Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:36 pm

Hi Ansdkant,

Yes, the Truth can be shocking, especially if the dhamma has not been 'well penetrated in terms of views'. The same thing happened to a couple of my friends when they understood Anatta, while doing vipassana on a retreat with Ven Amathagavesi. Other nanas like bhanga nana, bhaya and aadinava are even more unsettling, if there is little preparation. It is indeed seeing the truth in this way that leads to 'unshakeable faith' (aveccapasada) in the Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha. This is quite a different aspect of the dhamma than what is 'advertised'- as you have experienced it is not all 'mindfulness, bliss and beyond'.

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Postby PeterB » Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:54 pm

For me it was REALLY getting anicca...I was left shaken and disoriented. I later found out from Ajahn Amaro that there is a Pali name for that condition..he was pleased because he had just learned the term for it a day or two earlier...its something very long in Pali. It took a while to integrate what I had glimpsed.

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Postby PeterB » Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:39 am

And I still am in the process of integrating it.

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Postby rowyourboat » Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:36 pm

Hi Anskandt,

Ah, now that sounds like bhanga nana. Somebody gave this graphic similie of having no place to keep your foot on, because everything was fracturing and breaking away into dust.. :thinking:

It is said the is someone see nama-rupa paricceda nana properly, they will understand anatta. I haven't come across the notion that there are degrees to understanding anatta.. and on reflection I wouldn't rule it out, but most of the time you think there is a self or don't.
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Re: Vipassana - Insight Knowledge

Postby ansdkant » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:06 pm

Hi RYB;

I used to watch what is happening at moments as I go by Cab or MRT in everyday. At some point of when good Samardi enough, I usually see those are destroying and nothing is left. If I watch them more closer, it's more obvious. Other time than those time, I always feel self/not very sure what state of mind I got.

So my answer is I didn't see it in most of the time, only see when there balanced/good Samardi is arrived.

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Re: Vipassana - Insight Knowledge

Postby rowyourboat » Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:14 pm

Yes, that is correct. There can be no panna without samadhi. If the duration of what you saw was relatively short, it might even be a stage of udaya-vaya nana, difficult to say without having you in a retreat and me following you up daily :tongue:

In any case, it sounds quite good. You should go on a proper vipassana retreat, in the future. Don't put it off!

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