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Why teaching fear?

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Why teaching fear?

Postby Hanzze » Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:23 am

Dear Friends,

I had seen and read that many followers of the Theravada are teaching fear, grasping on fear, praising fear. I don't know a little about Suttas, so I like to ask you why is there teaching, grasping and praising of fear?

Is there any Buddha Dhamma that is teaching fear?
Is there any Buddha Dhamma that is leading to grasping on fear?
Is there any Buddha Dhamma that is praising fear?
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Why teaching fear?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:40 am

In one way there should be teaching of fear. "If you do evil deeds, speak evil words, and think evil thoughts, you will be reborn in the lower realms or in hell." This kind of fear of evil consequences of evil kamma is called ottappa in Pali.

In another way there should be teaching of fear. "If you do evil deeds, speak evil words, and think evil thoughts, you will be censured by the wise and shunned by good people." This kind of fear of evil consequences of evil kamma is called hiri in Pali.

These two wholesome mental states are called “the guardians of the world.”

• • • • (Upasampadā: 24th June, 1979)

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Re: Why teaching fear?

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Re: Why teaching fear?

Postby villkorkarma » Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:33 pm

Why teaching fear? Its simple to give you a strong motivation so you dont fall down and brake your neck. that was buddhism is. must of people are addicted to fear.
one suffer because one hasnt existed long : )

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Re: Why teaching fear?

Postby Hanzze » Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:01 am

_/\_
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Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Why teaching fear?

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Re: Why teaching fear?

Postby Hanzze » Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:52 am

_/\_
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Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Why teaching fear?

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Re: Why teaching fear?

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Re: Why teaching fear?

Postby Hanzze » Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:42 am

_/\_
Last edited by Hanzze on Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Why teaching fear?

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Re: Why teaching fear?

Postby Hanzze » Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:09 am

_/\_
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Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Why teaching fear?

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Re: Why teaching fear?

Postby Hanzze » Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:53 am

Last edited by Hanzze on Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:54 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Why teaching fear?

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:57 am


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Re: Why teaching fear?

Postby PeterB » Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:01 am

In changing Trungpa Rinpoches words you have completely distorted what he was saying. Or rather you have put words into his mouth that he didnt intend about a subject he was not addressing.

Your OP made specific claims. You have been asked to substantiate those claims and your only attempt to do so is a spurious and basically dishonest distortion of a passage dealing with another issue entirely.

So with no hope of any appropriate response I ask you once more to give sources for your view that the Theravada teaches and praises fear.

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Re: Why teaching fear?

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Re: Why teaching fear?

Postby PeterB » Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:15 am

I dont know Tilt...but I suspect he ( Hanzze ) doesnt mean "hope"..

I was Trungpa Rinpoches student for more than twenty years. The thought of his likely reaction to his words being bowdlerised in that way is...interesting... :?

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Re: Why teaching fear?

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Re: Why teaching fear?

Postby Hanzze » Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:31 am

Thanissaro Bhikkhu:
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Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_


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