Jechbi wrote:Is there any room in the five niyamas for truly random events of the variety that quantum physics seems to describe? Or has the study of physics simply not reached an advanced enough stage to be able to recognize the underlying orderliness of this seeming chaos?
jcsuperstar wrote:isnt the randomness of the universe only when theres no life though?
Mine too. My understanding is that presently, physicists believe that some of the events that occur on a small, small, super small scale are in fact truly stochastic. That understanding seems to fly in the face of the notion that all phenomena must fall into one of the orderly categories of Utu Niyama, Bija Niyama, Karma Niyama, Dhamma Niyama or Citta Niyama. (Or maybe I'm not understanding this correctly?)clw_uk wrote:at the quantum level there seems to be chaos, such as things poping into exsistence from nothing and then ceasing again (thats my basic understanding)
Right, but at the quantum level, there still seem to be things popping in and out of existence for no apparent reason. Doesn't the "many worlds" notion of a "quantum multiverse" create even more questions? Like where does the split happen? Constantly? Infinitely? Maybe those questions are less problematic.Individual wrote:"Probablism" and "Randomism" aren't necessarily the same thing. Furthermore, even within QM, there is room for deterministic explanations -- the many-worlds explanation, for instance. The notion that consciousness causes collapse is another example, except the cause is mental rather than physical. I think that both of these notions would be in line with Abhidhamma, which posits the existence of many interconnected realms and is neither idealist nor materialist (western science is materialist).
Right, but at the quantum level, there still seem to be things popping in and out of existence for no apparent reason. Doesn't the "many worlds" notion of a "quantum multiverse" create even more questions? Like where does the split happen? Constantly? Infinitely? Maybe those questions are less problematic.
Any Buddhist physicists out there? Is this an example of a disagreement between science and Buddhism, or do they actually gel? Not trying to make any point, just asking.
I think I can safely say that nobody understands quantum mechanics.
Do not keep saying to yourself, if you can possibly avoid it, "But how can it be like that?" because you will get "down the drain," into a blind alley from which nobody has yet escaped. Nobody knows how it can be like that.
Physics is like sex. Sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it.
Physics is to math what sex is to masturbation.
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