Environmental & Health Consequences of Carnivorous Diets

[Hanzze]

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[PeterB]

" You" are a stream of khandas...a cow does not become a human. A cow does not even become another cow. There is no pre-existing atta which takes different forms. Form arises dependantly due to conditions, including kamma.
Nothing passes from one entity to another entity.

[Phra Chuntawongso]

An issue which I have not seen addresed in this thread yet is a deliberate destruction of fruit and veg for monatery purposes.
This is something that I was unaware of until working on an apple orchard in the UK one year.
We had been picking fruit for a number of weeks,when the farmer came and told us that the following day we would begin to do INTERVENTION picking.Having never heard of this before I asked what it was.
Hold onto your hats folks coz what follows is TRUE.
The farmer had picked his yearly allowed quota of apples(EU quota)and could not pick any more apples for sending to market,so he would now be paid to pick his remaining crop-first class fruit only and an EU inspector would come to inspect the fruit quality and tonnage and then the fruit would be dumped on the ground and heavy farm machinary would be driven over it to insure it did not end up in the market place.
Farmers are also paid not to plant all of their land,it is called set aside land.
This ensures that there is not an over abundance of fruit and veg,therefore keeping prices up.
I am told this also happens with coffee growers,but having never picked coffee beans cannot say for sure.
P.S. I quit my job that day.It just didn't seem right to get paid for something that I felt was immoral.
With metta

[PeterB]

Its truly shocking Bhante...of course its not the individuals farmers fault ,,its the result of the EU's Common Agricultural Policy..and is one reason why many in the UK would like a withdraw from the E.U.

[Phra Chuntawongso]

Its truly shocking Bhante...of course its not the individuals farmers fault ,,its the result of the EU's Common Agricultural Policy..and is one reason why many in the UK would like a withdraw from the E.U.

I agree.It is not the individual farmers fault,but it appears that this is not only occuring in the EU.
As I said,I believe that coffee growers do the same thing.Who knows how much food is destroyed worldwide just so that profits can be kept up.
I asked the farmer in question about giving the apples away to the poor and was told that this was illegal.Go figure,illegal to give unwanted,first class fruit to the poor.Apparently if we give it away,then these horrible poor people would not buy it.
Some one obviously didnt tell these pen pushing bueracrats that poor people don't buy it any way because its too expensive.

[Hanzze]

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[max]

Thank you for understanding what i was trying to express. I have it all in my head but when it comes to actually typing it all out, it comes out differently

Regarding cows, they have been breed over the years to be a overdeveloped figure of how they used to be in order to feed people, as in dogs the pedigree standards that we see today is not the standard that existed many years ago. Human lust and greed regardless of the consequence.
Another consequence of the way we live is that more and more people have pets and those pets need to be fed, and it is far more profitable to cater for animals than a poor country.

I am trying to be a better person by reducing my impact on this world but as i see the products that i have eg PC, Phone, toiletries all of those have a consequence on this planet and to the poorer countries.

Africa has a world of wealth on it's surface yet countries poison the land with mining for products that will go into our phones, toiletries and PCs . I think to myself how many have perished inside those make shift mines that are only big enough for a child to fit inside, how much do they need to collect in order to get a pittance of money, there are no health and safety regulations, no code of conduct just exploitation.

I see that this world will devour itself regardless as everything is connected to consequence in some form or the other, in the mean time we can help ease the suffering of others who do not have a voice

[Hanzze]

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[max]

It is not pity that i am advocating neither is it getting some one to be addicted to the way of life the west dictates. I am saying that all of our belongings no matter how green we are, have been created at a cost to some one else. Sitting and contemplating ones fortune or misfortune does not put food into the mouths of the hungry or change how governments prostitute there country and there people. There comes a time to speak.

[retrofuturist]

Greetings,

There comes a time to speak.

Sure, but in the interests of keeping this topic open, here's a quick reminder for everyone that this is the "Wellness, Diet & Fitness" forum. Therefore, matters such as ethics, economics and politics are off-topic.

Thank you for your co-operation.

Metta,
Retro.

[Hanzze]

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[retrofuturist]

Greetings Hanzze,

But it is only a opinion to point that out.

Yes, as you so frequently do when a moderator or administrator tries to keep things on topic.



Metta,
Retro.

[Annapurna]

An issue which I have not seen addresed in this thread yet is a deliberate destruction of fruit and veg for monatery purposes.
This is something that I was unaware of until working on an apple orchard in the UK one year.
We had been picking fruit for a number of weeks,when the farmer came and told us that the following day we would begin to do INTERVENTION picking.Having never heard of this before I asked what it was.
Hold onto your hats folks coz what follows is TRUE.
The farmer had picked his yearly allowed quota of apples(EU quota)and could not pick any more apples for sending to market,so he would now be paid to pick his remaining crop-first class fruit only and an EU inspector would come to inspect the fruit quality and tonnage and then the fruit would be dumped on the ground and heavy farm machinary would be driven over it to insure it did not end up in the market place.
Farmers are also paid not to plant all of their land,it is called set aside land.
This ensures that there is not an over abundance of fruit and veg,therefore keeping prices up.
I am told this also happens with coffee growers,but having never picked coffee beans cannot say for sure.
P.S. I quit my job that day.It just didn't seem right to get paid for something that I felt was immoral.
With metta

I understand your sentiments.

Monoculture has this effect of wasting away what small/er farmers would have used.

I recall that the parents of my best friend, farmers across the street, left excess fruit for the pigs, horses and chicken to munch on...
Of course that makles for healthy animals, when they can roam around freely and enjoy the sun and some freedon, and have their small adventures with each other...hegde hogs, frogs....grass hoppers, butterflies.....

It was nice to see chicken with a bunch of tiny yellow ones around them...very nice to hold one in the hand and stroke the soft plumage

[Phra Chuntawongso]

An issue which I have not seen addresed in this thread yet is a deliberate destruction of fruit and veg for monatery purposes.
This is something that I was unaware of until working on an apple orchard in the UK one year.
We had been picking fruit for a number of weeks,when the farmer came and told us that the following day we would begin to do INTERVENTION picking.Having never heard of this before I asked what it was.
Hold onto your hats folks coz what follows is TRUE.
The farmer had picked his yearly allowed quota of apples(EU quota)and could not pick any more apples for sending to market,so he would now be paid to pick his remaining crop-first class fruit only and an EU inspector would come to inspect the fruit quality and tonnage and then the fruit would be dumped on the ground and heavy farm machinary would be driven over it to insure it did not end up in the market place.
Farmers are also paid not to plant all of their land,it is called set aside land.
This ensures that there is not an over abundance of fruit and veg,therefore keeping prices up.
I am told this also happens with coffee growers,but having never picked coffee beans cannot say for sure.
P.S. I quit my job that day.It just didn't seem right to get paid for something that I felt was immoral.
With metta

I understand your sentiments.

Monoculture has this effect of wasting away what small/er farmers would have used.

I recall that the parents of my best friend, farmers across the street, left excess fruit for the pigs, horses and chicken to munch on...
Of course that makles for healthy animals, when they can roam around freely and enjoy the sun and some freedon, and have their small adventures with each other...hegde hogs, frogs....grass hoppers, butterflies.....

It was nice to see chicken with a bunch of tiny yellow ones around them...very nice to hold one in the hand and stroke the soft plumage

Sorry Retro,slightly of topic here,but I'd love to read a book about the hedge hogs,frogs,grass hoppers etc having small adventures together.Thanks for the pleasant scene you painted for us Anna.
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[Phra Chuntawongso]

Maybe we can start a new thread and make our own dhamma wheel cutsie animal story with us all adding bits. That could be good for our emotional health.

[Annapurna]

Yes, Phra Greg, that could be good.

I will start one.