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Different strokes from different folks.

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Different strokes from different folks.

Postby PeterB » Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:16 pm

Over the years I have met and or learned from a number of teachers in the Theravada,Vajrayana, and Zen traditions.

. These teachers differed widely in style.

Some were twinkly and sage like. DT Suzuki. Ajahn Amaro, The Dalai Lama come to mind.
Some were noble and majestic. Ajahn Sumedho and TaiSitu Rinpoche for example.
Some were challenging and probing, Ajahn Sucitto and Ajahn Munindo would fit that
And some could be downright scary , Trungpa Rinpoche the Zen Teacher Myo Kyo Ni, and Ajahn Chah could and would pin you to the wall and skewer you.


Now, should Buddhist teachers show more uniformity of style ? Should we avoid the ones that we dont find sympatico ? Or should we gravitate towards them as they may be what we need ?.
Or should we stay at home and read about them online ?

What do you think ?
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Re: Different strokes from different folks.

Postby andre9999 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:25 pm

I'm going to say no to uniformity. Out of hundreds of millions of Buddhists, I suspect that one or two of them may have different needs than the rest. :) Heck, even a single person may have different instructional needs over the course of their life.

As for reading about them online, I'd say that's about as bad as it can get. I think some of the members of this forum do a find job of proving that. I certainly suffer from that problem too, as my personal life doesn't offer time to participate in a community. Consequently, I have the most unstructured, crap meditation practice you've ever seen.

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Re: Different strokes from different folks.

Postby PeterB » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:40 pm

I guess to some extent Andrer9999 it depends on whether we want to keep or lose our illusions.
I we want to see all Buddhist teachers and indeed our fellow Buddhists as following the model of the Dalai Lama then we had better restrict ourselves to either only seeing the Dalai Lama or just watching edited videos.
Because if we rub shoulders with most Buddhists and most Buddhist teachers in the flesh we will find that that do not conform to any particular type or style and that metta takes many forms.

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Re: Different strokes from different folks.

Postby bodom » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:19 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Different strokes from different folks.

Postby PeterB » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:32 pm

All it takes to have met lots of teachers Bodom is to be very very old... :(

I have certainly found that ignoring a teachers personality display is the best way to actually hear what they are saying.

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Re: Different strokes from different folks.

Postby cooran » Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:07 pm

Hello Peter,

These suttas (and others) at this link may be of assistance:

How to choose — and learn from — a teacher: MN 95
A skilled teacher is like a ferry-man: Sn 2.8
How to recognize a teacher: AN 4.192
Three kinds of Dhamma teachers: DN 12
How to teach Dhamma: AN 4.111
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/index-su ... l#teaching

with metta
Chris
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Re: Different strokes from different folks.

Postby PeterB » Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:35 pm

You are a marvel Chris...

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Re: Different strokes from different folks.

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Re: Different strokes from different folks.

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:13 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Different strokes from different folks.

Postby Hanzze » Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:54 am

_/\_
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Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Different strokes from different folks.

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Re: Different strokes from different folks.

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Re: Different strokes from different folks.

Postby PeterB » Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:44 am

:thumbsup:
Thats pretty much it. There is and can be no monoculture in Buddha Dhamma. No one tone. No single expression of what a metta filled post would like like in contrast to what a non metta filled post would look like. Just as teachers online or in the flesh differ greatly in temprament, so do will forum members and (gasp ! ) mods. There are guidelines and they are sensitively used by the mods. Outside of that attempting to usher in a single emotional tone in communication according to any subjective standard is both impossible and in fact highly undesirable. The thought of a forum of would- be Pollyannas fills at least one member with dread.

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Re: Different strokes from different folks.

Postby alan » Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:55 am

The ocean tastes like salt.

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Re: Different strokes from different folks.

Postby Hanzze » Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:08 am

_/\_
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Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Different strokes from different folks.

Postby Hanzze » Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:41 am

_/\_
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Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Different strokes from different folks.

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Re: Different strokes from different folks.

Postby PeterB » Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:27 am

What does it even mean ? And having read the thread it links to I am none the wiser.

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Re: Different strokes from different folks.

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