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Kâma (sensual pleasures)

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Kâma (sensual pleasures)

Postby Sacha G » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:35 pm

Hi everybody
I was wondering what to think of the term "kâma". Sometimes in seems to refer only to sexual activity, such as in sexual misconduct, sometimes as anything "sensual" like eating, or even enjoying a show, and sometimes it seems to mean every pleasure derived from the five senses.
Anyone has got an idea? :reading:
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Re: Kâma (sensual pleasures)

Postby bodom » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:59 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


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Re: Kâma (sensual pleasures)

Postby David N. Snyder » Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:24 pm

The Kama Sutta:

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

It seems to show that it represents any of the sensual pleasures.

Not to be confused with the more famous / infamous Kama Sutra.
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Re: Kâma (sensual pleasures)

Postby Sylvester » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:45 pm

Don't worry, Geoff.

This is not the place to discuss the vivicceva kamehi formula.

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Re: Kâma (sensual pleasures)

Postby Dmytro » Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:44 am

Interesting discussion. I have added this topic to the Pali Terms index:
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=6114


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Re: Kâma (sensual pleasures)

Postby Alex123 » Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:32 am

Sylvester,

If kāma refers not just to sensuality but to bare 5 sense consciousnesses, then
Arahants would be blind, deaf, and unable to experience anything in 5 senses because they have no kāma.

Since an Arahant can experience 5 sense objects without kāma, it means that kāma doesn't have to include 5 sense consciousnesses.


With metta,

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Re: Kâma (sensual pleasures)

Postby Sylvester » Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:14 am

Hi Alex

The issue is not whether kama (plural) is the respective consciousness, but the other third of the phassa triad, ie the 5 external ayatanas. I don't think this discussion has been about kama (singular).

What the grammatical structure of the kamaguna definition makes clear is that all of the 5 external ayatanas (agreeable, disagreeable or neither) fall within the kamagunas. What is being debated now is whether the plain old grammatical sense should be respected, or if it should be interpreted to mean something else.

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