Plants ~ Borderline Beings?

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Re: Plant Life

Postby andre9999 » Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:41 am

Ron, this thread isn't making as much sense as you think it is.

If you can't get people to agree on what defines sentience, then there is no point in all the examples. Maybe start there. Is it feeling? Perceiving? Choice?

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Re: Plant Life

Postby Individual » Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:21 pm

The best things in life aren't things.


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Re: Plant Life

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What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: Plant Life

Postby Ron-The-Elder » Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:51 pm

What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: Plant Life

Postby Individual » Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:27 pm

The best things in life aren't things.


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Re: Plant Life

Postby Ron-The-Elder » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:00 pm

What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: Plant Life

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What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: Plant Life

Postby kirk5a » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:18 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Plant Life

Postby andre9999 » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:19 pm

I thought we should all just try to agree on what constitutes sentience, but I guess that would be another thread anyway.

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Re: Plant Life

Postby bodom » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:20 pm

*MODERATOR NOTE*

The thread has run its course and is going in circles. Time to shut it down.


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To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

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with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

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Plants in Buddhism - Idea of B. Nature of Grasses an Trees

Postby hanzze_ » Sat May 26, 2012 2:58 am

I thought to make a topic where it is possible to quote and list sources in relation to plants found in ancient Texts and explainings. It's a thematic which has some absolutism or a kind of stepmotherly treatment (sometimes for the propose of worldly projects or commented in regard of worldly proposes) and I guess its very important to get much impression of the early teachings in this regard.

as free online document and pdf download on .


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Re: Plants in Buddhism - Idea of B. Nature of Grasses an Trees

Postby cooran » Sat May 26, 2012 4:23 am

Dear Hanzze,

There has already been a 5 page discussion (now locked) about this topic in the Open Dhamma forum – you were part of that discussion:

Plant Life
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=6822

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Re: Plants in Buddhism - Idea of B. Nature of Grasses an Trees

Postby manas » Sat May 26, 2012 5:12 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Plants in Buddhism - Idea of B. Nature of Grasses an Trees

Postby cooran » Sat May 26, 2012 5:23 am

Hello manas,

I suggest that you read the thread, there were some good posts initially and throughout, but, in the end, it started to go in circles.

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Re: Plants in Buddhism - Idea of B. Nature of Grasses an Trees

Postby hanzze_ » Sat May 26, 2012 5:29 am

Dear Chris,

"in the end, it started to go in circles" that's why such topics are so important and the discernment out of it milestones for real trust in Buddhas teachings. It's the wheel we are inside and the hindrance to choose the path out of it.

Aware that it's not beloved, I thought to have this tread just for posting resources about it. How ever, I recommend to discuss it much (therefor it would be great to reopen the discussion topic again).

Please do only post references here!

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Re: Plants in Buddhism - Idea of B. Nature of Grasses an Trees

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Re: Plants in Buddhism - Idea of B. Nature of Grasses an Trees

Postby jason c » Sat May 26, 2012 3:07 pm

serving on a 10 day goenka retreat, the very wise kitchen manager looked deeply into my eyes held up a bean sprout and said "look at this bean sprout, this is life, how can you eat this and use this energy to do harm or evil. we take the life of this bean sprout and we must use its energy for good so we can walk the path to liberation, not for greed." i found this very helpful. not sure if this is the kind of conversation you were hoping for but its one kind.
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Re: Plants in Buddhism - Idea of B. Nature of Grasses an Trees

Postby Hanzze » Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:27 am

by Lambert Schmidthausen 1991
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Plants in Buddhism - Idea of B. Nature of Grasses an Trees

Postby DAWN » Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:48 pm

Scientificss nkows that plants can comuncate information with others, by chimical secretions. So they have perception, consciousness.
Plants can eat one type of animals, but not an another. To eat somethink consciousness of it requered, and also some kniwledge about the 'food' behafour. So they have perception, consiousness.
Sunflower folow sun.

If their have consciousness they have Buddha nature.

PS All dhammas have Buddha nature.
Sabbe dhamma anatta
We are not concurents...


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