Stages of enligthenment

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Stages of enligthenment

Postby villkorkarma » Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:07 pm

i read this:
http://watbuddhaoregon.com/view_forums/ ... PIC_ID=171

and i watched at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXJZWKvFPDM

in the video goenka says there are like 4 steps to full enlightenment. he talks about maximum of 7 lifes to the second stage of enlightenment after you have reached the first.

how does the fit with your experience?

maybe is it like that you have to have the right behaviour to become an arahant fully enlightened?
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Re: Stages of enligthenment

Postby cooran » Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:32 pm

Hello villkorkamma,

goenka says there are like 4 steps to full enlightenment. he talks about maximum of 7 lifes to the second stage of enlightenment after you have reached the first.


Goenka-ji is correct. The Buddha taught that once a being has become a Sotapanna he will reach full enlightenment in no more than 7 more lifetimes. To become a Sotapanna is not an easy task - and we have all being wandering in Samsara through uncountable aeons without reaching this first level of enlightenment.

From Puthujjana to the Buddha( Reference: Brahmajala Sutta)
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/buddhism/ariyacht.htm

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Re: Stages of enligthenment

Postby villkorkarma » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:27 am

But Goenkaji says that its 7 max to 2 level then 2 i think to level 3 then maybe one more but not on earth but in a high bramic plane...
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Re: Stages of enligthenment

Postby ajahndoe » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:36 am

Enlightenment is the process of many wrong views changing to right views. In truth there are only wrong thoughts and right thoughts, with one bringing suffering and the other bringing peace. The Theravada schools subscribe to 4 stages, the Mahayana to 10, Zen to many satoris (this is closest to how it works). The Buddha experienced and taught of the 4 stages, and if it is the Buddha's experience alone that one subscribes to then they may know these 4 stages by the fetters which are unbound at each.
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Re: Stages of enligthenment

Postby cooran » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:41 am

villkorkarma wrote:But Goenkaji says that its 7 max to 2 level then 2 i think to level 3 then maybe one more but not on earth but in a high bramic plane...


Can you please give a link to where he says this? With respect, I think your memory is faulty.

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Re: Stages of enligthenment

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Re: Stages of enligthenment

Postby rowyourboat » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:20 pm

Hi Vilokarma

I think you should become familiar with the 4 stages (this is the correct one incidentally) of reaching nibbana (enlightenment).

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Re: Stages of enligthenment

Postby villkorkarma » Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:45 pm

searc on stages of enlightenment eller s n goenka på youtube.com så hittar du videon där han pratar om 7 liv sedan 2 liv sedan eventullt 2 liv till fullt arahantskap.
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Re: Stages of enligthenment

Postby rowyourboat » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:28 pm

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Re: Stages of enligthenment

Postby Sambodhi in Oz » Sat Jan 22, 2011 1:06 pm

Dear Villkorkarma,

For Sotapanna it is 7 more lives for Nibbana
for Sakadagami it is 1 more life in kamabhumi for Nibbana
for Anagami no more births in kamabhumi but in Bramhanic plane only for nibbana
For Arhat - a liberated being.

This is what Goenkaji also states.

But more important than knowing this is to reach any of these states.
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Re: Stages of enligthenment

Postby Jechbi » Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:52 pm

villkorkarma wrote:how does the fit with your experience?
That's the key question. The very first stage involves eradicating personality view, doubt, misapprehension of precepts and vows. It also involves holding to impeccable morality. So we can observe in our personal situation whether these qualities apply. If not, then we can be encouraged to keep working.
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Re: Stages of enligthenment

Postby rowyourboat » Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:14 am

Here are the practices required for stream entry:

Association with people of integrity is a factor for stream-entry.
Listening to the true Dhamma is a factor for stream-entry.
Appropriate attention (contemplation - yonisomanasikara) is a factor for stream-entry.
Practice in accordance with the Dhamma (satipatthana, 8 fold path) is a factor for stream-entry.
— SN 55.5

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