In Mahayana there are bhumis, or levels of attainment. In Theravada is there any such system?
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Levels of accomplishment?
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Re: Levels of accomplishment?
Greetings Drolma,
The Noble Ones are categorised as follows...
Arahant - final destruction of ignorance, no more becoming
Non-Returner - a trace of craving results in becoming, but never again to the human realm
Once-Returner - born once more, before attaining arahantship
Stream-Entrant - maximum of 7 lifetimes to go but the destination is assured
Somewhere, venerable Dhammanando has an excellent table that shows what fetters are eradicated at each stage. Hopefully he sees this thread and can provide you a link to it.
Metta,
Retro.
The Noble Ones are categorised as follows...
Arahant - final destruction of ignorance, no more becoming
Non-Returner - a trace of craving results in becoming, but never again to the human realm
Once-Returner - born once more, before attaining arahantship
Stream-Entrant - maximum of 7 lifetimes to go but the destination is assured
Somewhere, venerable Dhammanando has an excellent table that shows what fetters are eradicated at each stage. Hopefully he sees this thread and can provide you a link to it.
Metta,
Retro.
"Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things."
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Re: Levels of accomplishment?
Thank you Retro
I couldn't help but notice that full buddhahood was missing from the list...
How is it different from an Arahant? Is the difference that a Buddha will teach?
Thanks,
Drolma
I couldn't help but notice that full buddhahood was missing from the list...
How is it different from an Arahant? Is the difference that a Buddha will teach?
Thanks,
Drolma
Re: Levels of accomplishment?
There are many distinctions & synonym in Theravada regarding these two words.
However, generally Buddha is self-enlightened with no teacher whilst an arahant is help-enlightened because they are guided by the Buddha's teaching.
However, generally Buddha is self-enlightened with no teacher whilst an arahant is help-enlightened because they are guided by the Buddha's teaching.
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Greetings Drolma,
In the fourfold scheme of the Noble Sangha (eightfold if you wish to distinguish between bhikkhus and bhikkunis)... the Buddha is classified alongside the arahants. He is often referred to as "The Arahant". What is true of the arahant is true of the Buddha... it just happens also to be that the Buddha both created a dispensation, and had developed his faculties far beyond the minimal level required for the cessation of suffering.
Metta,
Retro.
In the fourfold scheme of the Noble Sangha (eightfold if you wish to distinguish between bhikkhus and bhikkunis)... the Buddha is classified alongside the arahants. He is often referred to as "The Arahant". What is true of the arahant is true of the Buddha... it just happens also to be that the Buddha both created a dispensation, and had developed his faculties far beyond the minimal level required for the cessation of suffering.
Metta,
Retro.
"Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things."
Re: Levels of accomplishment?
sotapanna eradicates:
self-identification views (sakkaya-ditthi)
uncertainty (vicikiccha)
grasping at precepts and practices (silabbata-paramasa)
sakadagami eradicates those three and significantly weakens:
sensual passion (kama-raga)
resistance (vyapada)
anagami eradicates those five
arahant eradicates those five plus eradicates:
passion for form (rupa-raga)
passion for formless phenomena (arupa-raga)
conceit (mana)
restlessness (uddhacca)
unawareness (avijja)
Those are the ten fetters (samyojana) which bind one to the cycle of birth and death.
self-identification views (sakkaya-ditthi)
uncertainty (vicikiccha)
grasping at precepts and practices (silabbata-paramasa)
sakadagami eradicates those three and significantly weakens:
sensual passion (kama-raga)
resistance (vyapada)
anagami eradicates those five
arahant eradicates those five plus eradicates:
passion for form (rupa-raga)
passion for formless phenomena (arupa-raga)
conceit (mana)
restlessness (uddhacca)
unawareness (avijja)
Those are the ten fetters (samyojana) which bind one to the cycle of birth and death.
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Be heedful and you will accomplish your goal.
Be heedful and you will accomplish your goal.
Re: Levels of accomplishment?
Hi Peter
Thank you for the list.
resistance (vyapada) ... google says vyapada is ill-will/hatred.
But what about having resistance like Gandhi against someone who has ill-will/hatred?
"Vive la Résistance!"
Thank you for the list.
resistance (vyapada) ... google says vyapada is ill-will/hatred.
But what about having resistance like Gandhi against someone who has ill-will/hatred?
"Vive la Résistance!"
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Greetings,
It seems as if vyapada is more commonly associated with ill-will per se.
Metta,
Retro.
It seems as if vyapada is more commonly associated with ill-will per se.
Source: http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philol ... li.1427689" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Vyāpāda
Vyāpāda [fr. vyāpajjati. See also byāpāda] making bad, doing harm: desire to injure, malevolence, ill -- will D i.71, 246; iii.70 sq., 226, 234; S i.99; ii.151; iv.343; A i.194, 280; ii.14, 210; iii.92, 231, 245; iv.437; Vbh 86, 363 sq., 391; Pug 17 sq.; Dhs 1137; Vism 7; DA i.211; VbhA 74, 118, 369. ˚anusaya M i.433. ˚dosa M iii.3. ˚dhātu M iii.62. ˚nīvaraṇa M ii.203. See under each affix. -- Cp. avyāpāda.
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Re: Levels of accomplishment?
Hi Retro,
Best wishes,
Dhammanando Bhikkhu
I don't have a link to the E-sangha thread where I posted it, so I'll upload it here. It presents the elimination of defilements according to the Abhidhamma.retrofuturist wrote:Somewhere, venerable Dhammanando has an excellent table that shows what fetters are eradicated at each stage. Hopefully he sees this thread and can provide you a link to it.
Best wishes,
Dhammanando Bhikkhu
Yena yena hi maññanti,
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
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Greetings venerable Dhammanando,
Do you know where the explanation for the eradication of "envy" and "avarice" as a component of stream-entry originates?
I expected to see Doubt and Wrong View in the list, but am more familiar with Silabbatupadana (attachment to rites and rituals) appearing as the third feature of stream-entry.
Metta,
Retro.
Do you know where the explanation for the eradication of "envy" and "avarice" as a component of stream-entry originates?
I expected to see Doubt and Wrong View in the list, but am more familiar with Silabbatupadana (attachment to rites and rituals) appearing as the third feature of stream-entry.
Metta,
Retro.
"Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things."
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Re: Levels of accomplishment?
Hi Retro,
Best wishes,
Dhammanando Bhikkhu
The extended list of fetters is from the Dhammasaṅgaṇī and Cullaniddesa, and the account of when each is eliminated is from the commentaries to the same (Atthasālinī 376-7, = Expositor II. 483; Saddhammappajjotikā 140). It's also given in the commentary to the Vatthūpama Sutta (MN. 7), which has an even longer list of kilesa (perhaps the longest of all) and when each is eliminated.retrofuturist wrote:Do you know where the explanation for the eradication of "envy" and "avarice" as a component of stream-entry originates?
"Misapprehension of precepts and vows" (as I prefer to translate it) is included in the fetter of wrong view.I expected to see Doubt and Wrong View in the list, but am more familiar with Silabbatupadana (attachment to rites and rituals) appearing as the third feature of stream-entry.
Best wishes,
Dhammanando Bhikkhu
Yena yena hi maññanti,
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
Re: Levels of accomplishment?
For a good explanation, seeDrolma wrote:Thank you Retro
I couldn't help but notice that full buddhahood was missing from the list...
How is it different from an Arahant? Is the difference that a Buddha will teach?
Arahants, Buddhas, and Bodhisattvas by Bhikkhu Bodhi
http://www.buddhanet.net/budsas/ebud/ebdha335.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Bhikkhu Gavesako
Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)
Access to Insight - Theravada texts
Ancient Buddhist Texts - Translations and history of Pali texts
Dhammatalks.org - Sutta translations
Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)
Access to Insight - Theravada texts
Ancient Buddhist Texts - Translations and history of Pali texts
Dhammatalks.org - Sutta translations
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Thank you venerable Dhammanando.
Metta,
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Metta,
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