Richard Gombrich - Comfort or Challenge?

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Richard Gombrich - Comfort or Challenge?

Postby pilgrim » Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:10 am

Richard's keynote address for the International Conference on Dissemination of Theravada Buddhism in the 21st Century held in Salaya, Bangkok, Sep/Oct 2010.

"Ven Sugandho has asked why the dissemination of Theravāda Buddhism is no longer as successful as it used to be. After all, Theravāda Buddhism is the guardian of the oldest and purest tradition of the Buddha’s message; and I believe that most of us here today consider the moral value and intellectual brilliance of that message among the very finest in the whole of human history. So if we have such a good product, why can’t we sell it?

I propose to offer answers to that question, in as much detail as I have time for. And at least you will have to agree, I think, that if there is nothing wrong with the message, there presumably may be something wrong with the messengers." :clap:

http://www.ocbs.org/index.php?option=co ... Itemid=121

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Re: Richard Gombrich - Comfort or Challenge

Postby ajahndoe » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:50 am

Quite a long read, but thank you for sharing. There are truths worthy of note, especially in failure to denounce cruelty and torture, as well as failure to recognize the ignorance at work in holding to tradition and preventing ordination for women!

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Re: Richard Gombrich - Comfort or Challenge

Postby Ben » Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:07 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

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Re: Richard Gombrich - Comfort or Challenge

Postby rowyourboat » Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:14 am

Thanks for the link- it is really excellent. I think Prof Gombrich is quite good at commenting on the social aspects of Buddhism.

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Re: Richard Gombrich - Comfort or Challenge

Postby cooran » Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:04 am

Hello all,

A link the previous thread on Richard Gombrich:
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5599

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Re: Richard Gombrich - Comfort or Challenge

Postby tobes » Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:21 pm

I find Gombrich very impressive. A really excellent scholar.

It seems to me that the problem he is pointing to is related to the fact that there is a close relationship between the Theravada and the establishment in countries such as Sri Lanka and Thailand....and this precludes genuinely robust social-political engagement and gives rise to unwholesome attitudes towards what is not part of the establishment. Bhikkhu Bodhi has made a similar assertion about Sri Lanka; I think he said that in one of the lineages, unless you are born into the establishment, you cannot receive full ordination. Hence people wishing for full ordination had to go to Burma, and now there is a Burmese lineage.

It's a bit of a mystery to me how these attitudes could solidify so strongly.....


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Re: Richard Gombrich - Comfort or Challenge

Postby pilgrim » Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:00 pm

I believe that Theravada which holds to tradition and orthodoxy very closely finds difficulty in engaging modern cultures with its differing expectations and norms. Modern culture is not going to change for Theravadins, so it is us who have to adapt.

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Re: Richard Gombrich - Comfort or Challenge

Postby Kim OHara » Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:46 am

Hi, everyone,
This is sounding more and more like the 'American Buddhist Tradition?' thread . I mentioned this one over there and no-one seemed to notice; now trying the other way round.
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Re: Richard Gombrich - Comfort or Challenge

Postby mikenz66 » Sat Feb 05, 2011 4:28 am

Haven't had time to listen yet but one of Ajahn Brahm's recent talks contains some comments about the address:

http://www.dhammaloka.org.au/component/ ... onomy.html
Buddhism and Autonomy

Ajahn Brahm challenges ideas about autonomy and freedom, and about knowledge and faith, in Buddhism and in other religions.

Ajahn refers to Richard Gombrich's keynote address 'Comfort or Challenge?' for the International Conference on Dissemination of Theravada Buddhism in the 21st Century, held in Salaya, Bangkok, Sep/Oct 2010. Click here for the text of the address.

Professor Richard Gombrich is chairman of The Oxford Centre for Buddhist Studies.

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Re: Richard Gombrich - Comfort or Challenge

Postby mikenz66 » Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:38 am

The discussion of Gombrich is at about 50 minutes. Ajahn Brahm expresses agreement with Gombrich's concerns (even though Gombrich is from Oxford, not Cambridge :tongue:).

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A talk by R. Gombrich

Postby tiltbillings » Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:06 am

http://www.ocbs.org/lectures-a-articles ... ?showall=1

Also, do pay attention to the website where this talk is found. All sorts of interesting stuff to be found there.

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Re: A talk by R. Gombrich

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:14 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: A talk by R. Gombrich

Postby Ben » Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:01 am

Thanks Tilt!
Anything by Gombrich, in my book, is gold.
I look forward to reading it shortly.
kind regards,

Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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