Why not ordain?

Discussion of ordination, the Vinaya and monastic life. How and where to ordain? Bhikkhuni ordination etc.
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Why not ordain?

Postby Future Bhikkhu » Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:03 pm

I was interested in hearing why you do not ordain. I know that many of you are well versed and practiced but if you know that life is full of suffering, why do you not strive to end that suffering with the most effective way possible? All opinons are valid.

With metta,

:anjali:
The mind is everything; what you think you become.
-The Buddha

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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby bodom » Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:22 pm

Hi FB,

I have a family with young children that I have responsibilities too. Besides, my goal is stream entry which can be realized while living the household life.

:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby BlackBird » Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:24 pm

I'm addicted to sense pleasures. The true extent of such an addiction only becomes manifest when one is deprived of such pleasures.
"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby Future Bhikkhu » Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:26 pm

The mind is everything; what you think you become.
-The Buddha

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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:47 pm

Greetings,

My reasons are bit like Bodom's... although until I get away from my current job (or at least, have it reshaped to take out the bit I don't like) my goal is more on mundane happiness and avoiding depression.

Here's an earlier topic where we take a deeper look into how the calm, disenchantment and insight generated through lay Buddhist practice may be in some ways counter-productive to worldly obligations.

Avoiding limbo - inbetween the homeless and the home life
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=6521

There are no easy answers - but there must be willingness to seek them, regardless.

Metta,
Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby plwk » Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:44 am

Parents....
1. Never mind being staunch evangelicals, they expect me to carry on the family lineage tradition...which I have resisted thus far
2. They have made it clear that I will never have their blessing nor consent for Ordination
3. So, I guess I will just have to keep supporting them until old age and wait for their passing and meanwhile continue my Dhamma journey as an Upasaka...

:sage:

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Re: Why not ordain?

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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby alan » Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:18 am

I was thinking about you lately BlackBird. Welcome back. Do you care to elaborate?

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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby BlackBird » Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:34 am

"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby Future Bhikkhu » Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:45 am

Hello Jack

Thankyou very much for sharing your experience. I will take all you said on board as things which I will eventually need to overcome. I guess the ordained life is only for a select few and not for every Buddhist. Still, as a lay person you are still as important as the greatest teacher. I laughed when I read about your boredom because I'm on school holidays and I have done nothing. Everyday I would either read Buddhist books or mediatate. Anyway, thankyou for your input. :)

With metta

:anjali:
The mind is everything; what you think you become.
-The Buddha

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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby cooran » Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:52 am

Thanks for this Jack. Doing the hard yards is very different to the fantasies beforehand … even when you think you are not fantasising but are being quite realistic about your plans.

I wonder how many of the young men in, say, Thailand who temporarily ordain as part of the social customs actually ever consider permanently ordaining. And I think Thailand is an ''easier'' experience than Sri Lanka.

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Chris
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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:59 am

Thanks for sharing your experience, Jack.

Metta,
Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby Future Bhikkhu » Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:11 am

Hi jack

Could name the five worst things that you experienced physically and the five worst things you experienced mentally. I know that the physical is born in the mind but you know what I mean. Example: It was cold (physical). No family (mental).

Thankyou,

With metta

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Re: Why not ordain?

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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby Future Bhikkhu » Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:31 am

If I am to experience it then I should prepare myself first, no? I am just going to do three hour meditaion sessions and wake up really early to meditate, they wil not hurt me.

With metta

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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby Future Bhikkhu » Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:48 am

The mind is everything; what you think you become.
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The mind is everything; what you think you become.
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