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Why not ordain?

Discussion of ordination, the Vinaya and monastic life. How and where to ordain? Bhikkhuni ordination etc.
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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby BlackBird » Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:24 am

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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby Euclid » Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:26 am

I don't see myself ordaining ('permanently' at least) for a good while, because being a monk seems like a bloody hard and miserable existence. I'm sure after a period of time I'd get used to it, but I really do love the household life. I'm caught deep in the snare, and that's just the way it is. At the moment I simply practice to make my life easier. Will I eventually ordain? Who knows, I'm certainly not going to take a definite position either way at this stage. But right now, I'm quite content living the household life, truth be told.

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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby Future Bhikkhu » Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:29 am

Well thanks for your input Tilt. Just remember that just because you didn't like being a monk it doesn't mean that I won't. In the same way I won't think I will like being a monk until I do. I will, however, give it a go. :)

Thanks for advise

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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby BlackBird » Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:31 am

Ordaining in the Western Sangha would actually be quite pleasant. It's not a hard life by any stretch (at least in Bodhinyanarama) and they have a strong ideal of community and supporting one another. That being said it does attract a few loopies (perhaps I'm one of them), mostly just visitors but sometimes postulants too.
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'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby Euclid » Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:34 am

Mm, that's very true. I think if I were to ordain, Bodhinyanarama certainly would be ideal. I'm still not sure if I could enjoy myself deprived of sense pleasures though.

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Re: Why not ordain?

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Re: Why not ordain?

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The mind is everything; what you think you become.
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Re: Why not ordain?

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Re: Why not ordain?

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"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby Euclid » Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:49 am

Hah, sounds fairly luxurious! On one hand I'm not sure if I'd actually like that, because I'm not sure if I'd be ordaining for the right reasons :lol:

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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby Hanzze » Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:57 am

_/\_
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Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby Ben » Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:03 am

Thanks Jack or sharing your experience.
I appreciate it.
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby Ben » Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:06 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby Future Bhikkhu » Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:07 am

The mind is everything; what you think you become.
-The Buddha

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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby Phra Chuntawongso » Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:10 am

Hi Jack.Thanks for your post about your experience.
A good warning for the overly romantic.It is not all a bed of roses.(Not all bad either)
No scorpions in my kuti yet,but when the weather doesn't suit them they will come.(Thus have I heard)
With metta,
Phra Greg
And crawling on the planets face,some insects called the human race.
Lost in time
Lost in space
And meaning

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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby Wizard in the Forest » Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:13 am

Since I am a lady, I will wait until the most opportune moment to choose ordination because unlike men, I can't give my vows back, so I can't have a single thing tying me to householder life. I can't have debts (which I do have right now), I can't have dependents (Not that I want any), I have to be in good health which might be a problem because I can't tell what the future might hold other than what I make of it, and I have asthma right now which might prevent me from the ability to ordain due to being chronic, and I'm not sure if the Vinaya says this, but I don't think a person with chronic, serious, or communicable diseases can go forth. Don't quote me on that, because I'm not 100% sure. It might have only been in the commentaries under the "evil illnesses" section of the rules. So either way, you can see I have carefully considered ordainment, but I do not think I am ready for it. Much less if there will be a preceptor, (specifically a Maha Theri) available for me to ordain. It's sink or swim today with now's Bhikkhunī ordinations. At least they have become available in some traditions. I am thankful being a woman isn't going to be the total reason not to.
"One is not born a woman, but becomes one."- Simone de Beauvoir

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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby Future Bhikkhu » Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:15 am

I just wanted all to know that I hope it is hard. Why else would I become a Bhikkhu, to live a life of luxury?

To tilt, I know I must experience it first...

With metta

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The mind is everything; what you think you become.
-The Buddha

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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby Ben » Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:17 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby Future Bhikkhu » Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:19 am

The mind is everything; what you think you become.
-The Buddha

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Re: Why not ordain?

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