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Re: Packing and transport more unwholesome than the food?

Postby Hanzze » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:57 am

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...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
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Re: Packing and transport more unwholesome than the food?

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:02 am

Greetings Hanzze,

As I said here - viewtopic.php?f=14&t=7161 ....

The efficacy of the Dhamma is measured in terms of internal mental purity, with respect to the objective ideal of nibbana.

The efficacy of environmentalism is measured in external environmental purity, with respect to a subjective ideal of a utopian environment.

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Re: Packing and transport more unwholesome than the food?

Postby Hanzze » Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:46 am

Simsapa Sutta: The Simsapa Leaves

At one time the Blessed One was staying at Kosambii in Si.msapaa Grove.[1] Then the Blessed One, taking a few Si.msapaa leaves in his hand, said to the monks: "What do you think, monks? Which are the more numerous, the few leaves I have here in my hand, or those up in the trees of the grove?"

"Lord, the Blessed One is holding only a few leaves: those up in the trees are far more numerous."

"In the same way, monks, there are many more things that I have found out, but not revealed to you.[2] What I have revealed to you is only a little. And why, monks, have I not revealed it?

"Because, monks, it is not related to the goal, it is not fundamental to the holy life, does not conduce to disenchantment, dispassion, cessation, tranquillity, higher knowledge, enlightenment or Nibbaana. That is why I have not revealed it. And what, monks, have I revealed?

"What I have revealed is: 'This is Suffering, this is the Arising of Suffering, this is the Cessation of Suffering, and this is the Path that leads to the Cessation of Suffering.' And why, monks, have I revealed it?

"Because this is related to the goal, fundamental to the holy life, conduces to disenchantment, dispassion, cessation, tranquillity, higher knowledge, enlightenment and Nibbaana, therefore I have revealed it.

"Therefore, monks, your task is to learn: 'This is Suffering, this is the Arising of Suffering, this is the Cessation of Suffering, this is the Path that leads to the Cessation of Suffering.' That is your task."
The Simsapa Leaves
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Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
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Re: Packing and transport more unwholesome than the food?

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:48 am

Hanzze wrote:Dear retrofuturist,

neither environmentalism (what ever this word should describe) nor Buddhism can catch the point of the Dhamma what was taught.
How do you know?
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

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Re: Packing and transport more unwholesome than the food?

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:12 am

Greetings,

Hanzze wrote:but from my view it is clearly that we do not need to reach for different ways or different techniques to uproot problems.

But don't you see that vis-a-vis the Dhamma, that's precisely what you're doing? To attempt to "uproot problems" by "reach[ing] for different ways", is to position bizarre, worldly theories that "packing and transport [is] more unwholesome than the food" as equally or even more important than the supramundane Dhamma of the Buddha.

The Buddha taught a path to mental purification - you can choose to follow it, or choose not to... the choice is yours Hanzze. To be harmless, to cultivate wholesome mindstates... that is the Dhammic way. To tie oneself in knots about the economics and morality of food production and allowing it to trump the Buddha's teachings - refusing to learn what the Buddha taught about unwholesomeness in favour of one's own personal speculative theories is inappropriate attention vis-a-vis the Dhamma.

You make no effort to learn what the Buddha taught, yet feel compelled to lecture us on why Dhamma rooted in the suttas is inferior to your animistic folk Dharma.

:alien:

Hanzze wrote:neither environmentalism... nor Buddhism can catch the point of the Dhamma what was taught.

I'll take Buddhism over Hanzzism, thanks all the same.

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Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)


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One who is such, calmed and ever mindful, He has no sorrows! -- Udana IV, 7


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Re: Packing and transport more unwholesome than the food?

Postby Hanzze » Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:36 am

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Last edited by Hanzze on Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
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Re: Packing and transport more unwholesome than the food?

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:41 am

Hanzze wrote:...
Hanzze-ism. I prefer the Buddha's teachings.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: Packing and transport more unwholesome than the food?

Postby Hanzze » Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:42 am

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Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
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Re: Packing and transport more unwholesome than the food?

Postby Hanzze » Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:44 am

tiltbillings wrote:
Hanzze wrote:...
Hanzze-ism. I prefer the Buddha's teachings.

ohh... sad, I thought we could build up a Monkey republic :rofl:
Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
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Re: Packing and transport more unwholesome than the food?

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:45 am

Hanzze wrote:The fact that transport, storing and transport of food is more times an issue as the kind of food, should show that it is not only a idea from far far away, even I am far far away.
The real problem with food is market speculation of food futures, which has driven up the cost of food around the world. Egypt is an example of what happens when food markets are deregulated, left to the speculators.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
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Re: Packing and transport more unwholesome than the food?

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:47 am

Hanzze wrote:...
Hanzze-ism. I prefer the Buddha's teachings.
If you have asked me of the origination of unease, then I shall explain it to you in accordance with my understanding:
Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)


Exalted in mind, just open and clearly aware, the recluse trained in the ways of the sages:
One who is such, calmed and ever mindful, He has no sorrows! -- Udana IV, 7


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Re: Packing and transport more unwholesome than the food?

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:05 am

Hanzze wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:
Hanzze wrote:...
Hanzze-ism. I prefer the Buddha's teachings.

ohh... sad, I thought we could build up a Monkey republic :rofl:
It seems your head is populated with monkeys, thusly typing all this stuff for us to read. Eventually - the odds are - one of them will tap out a coherent thought, even if it does not mean to.
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Re: Packing and transport more unwholesome than the food?

Postby Hanzze » Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:14 am

The Lesser Section on Virtue

"And how is a monk consummate in virtue? Abandoning the taking of life, he abstains from the taking of life. He dwells with his rod laid down, his knife laid down, scrupulous, merciful, compassionate for the welfare of all living beings. This is part of his virtue.

"Abandoning the taking of what is not given, he abstains from taking what is not given. He takes only what is given, accepts only what is given, lives not by stealth but by means of a self that has become pure. This, too, is part of his virtue.

"Abandoning uncelibacy, he lives a celibate life, aloof, refraining from the sexual act that is the villager's way. This, too, is part of his virtue.

"Abandoning false speech, he abstains from false speech. He speaks the truth, holds to the truth, is firm, reliable, no deceiver of the world. This, too, is part of his virtue.

"Abandoning divisive speech he abstains from divisive speech. What he has heard here he does not tell there to break those people apart from these people here. What he has heard there he does not tell here to break these people apart from those people there. Thus reconciling those who have broken apart or cementing those who are united, he loves concord, delights in concord, enjoys concord, speaks things that create concord. This, too, is part of his virtue.

"Abandoning abusive speech, he abstains from abusive speech. He speaks words that are soothing to the ear, that are affectionate, that go to the heart, that are polite, appealing and pleasing to people at large. This, too, is part of his virtue.

"Abandoning idle chatter, he abstains from idle chatter. He speaks in season, speaks what is factual, what is in accordance with the goal, the Dhamma, and the Vinaya. He speaks words worth treasuring, seasonable, reasonable, circumscribed, connected with the goal. This, too, is part of his virtue.

"He abstains from damaging seed and plant life.

"He eats only once a day, refraining from the evening meal and from food at the wrong time of day.

"He abstains from dancing, singing, instrumental music, and from watching shows.

"He abstains from wearing garlands and from beautifying himself with scents and cosmetics.

"He abstains from high and luxurious beds and seats.

"He abstains from accepting gold and money.

"He abstains from accepting uncooked grain... raw meat... women and girls... male and female slaves... goats and sheep... fowl and pigs... elephants, cattle, steeds, and mares... fields and property.

"He abstains from running messages... from buying and selling... from dealing with false scales, false metals, and false measures... from bribery, deception, and fraud.

"He abstains from mutilating, executing, imprisoning, highway robbery, plunder, and violence.

"This, too, is part of his virtue.

The Fruits of the Contemplative Life
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Re: Packing and transport more unwholesome than the food?

Postby chownah » Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:36 pm

I have given this some thought and have come to the view that the packing and transport of my food is NOT more unwholesome than my food....and that if someone is of the view that the packing and transport of their food is more unwholesome than their food then they should change their buying habits and start buying food whose packing and transport is more wholesome....I guess.
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Re: Packing and transport more unwholesome than the food?

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:49 pm

Greetings,

Since Hanzze has taken it upon himself to edit/delete most of his posts, what little cohesion existed within the topic has now been lost, and it will be closed...

If anyone wishes to discuss Buddhism and the environment, Cooran has kindly set up the following topic for your consideration...

Buddhism and the Environment
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=7161

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Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)


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One who is such, calmed and ever mindful, He has no sorrows! -- Udana IV, 7


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