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Views and beliefs

Postby clw_uk » Fri Mar 13, 2009 2:52 pm

There is a big debate today between Evolution and Creationism

Despite Evolution being a fundemental fact of how life came to be and creationism having no supportable evidence at all people will still reject evolution and hold to creationism, to me this shows a complete lack of willingless to face reality and a clinging of views


My question is if science somehow disproves that without a doubt a certain buddhist teaching is in fact not true i.e. rebirth, kamma or even Dependent Origination should we reject that teaching as Buddhists or still hold it to be true and practice to understand it because its what the Buddha taught?


As Buddhists do you think its important to take what science states as important as the Buddhas teachings since both are concerned with reality?
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Re: Views and beliefs

Postby Fede » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:43 pm

The Dalai Lama himself has stated that if Science manages to disprove or at least bring into serious question anything held as a Buddhist premise, and adhered to by Buddhists, then of course, he would have to reconsider his stance on that matter.

With a twinkle in his eye, I seem to recall that he said as yet, such a thing has not happened.....

If Buddhism has stood the Tests of Time for nearly 3000 years, i think it's going to hold out for a while yet.

Besides, I have yet to understand any way in which science can categorically and definitively disprove re-birth....

And Kamma is a self-proving process with every instant that passes.....
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Postby nathan » Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:07 pm

But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: Views and beliefs

Postby clw_uk » Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:29 pm

Kamma, rebirth and Dependent origination are just examples, im not really discussing if they can be verified or not (at least in current scientific knowledge) what im getting at is that if they were disproved isnt it a Buddhist principle to reject them since they dont conform with reality


Im also suggesting that isnt it a unique characteristic of Buddhism to be so willingt to accept whatever Science reveals to be true, since reality is important not the belief itself?
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Postby Cittasanto » Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:11 pm

If science brings evidence or proof which brings teachings into question then we need to re-evaluate, probe etc the area under scrutiny, but it could also be a case that we not the teaching have mistaken view, and science can bring about correct understanding of the teachings.


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Re: Views and beliefs

Postby Ravana » Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:36 pm

“The incomparable Wheel of Dhamma has been set in motion by the Blessed One in the deer sanctuary at Isipatana, and no seeker, brahmin, celestial being, demon, god, or any other being in the world can stop it.”

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Re: Views and beliefs

Postby Ravana » Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:51 pm

“The incomparable Wheel of Dhamma has been set in motion by the Blessed One in the deer sanctuary at Isipatana, and no seeker, brahmin, celestial being, demon, god, or any other being in the world can stop it.”

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Re: Views and beliefs

Postby mikenz66 » Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:56 pm

I don't see how Russell's teapot applies to questions such as whether mind is just an emergent phenomenon of the brain. That is an open question that has nothing to do with any particular religious of philosophical view.

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Re: Views and beliefs

Postby nathan » Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:45 pm

But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: Views and beliefs

Postby nathan » Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:06 pm

But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: Views and beliefs

Postby cooran » Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:10 pm

Hello clw_uk, all,

What puzzles me is why does it matter about what the cause of rupa is?
The flux of becoming (you or me or anyone) takes rebirth according to the fruit of its previous kamma. Human Rebirth is the rarest of all. Most of the humans on earth have rarely been born as humans before.

Far better to practise and study, so that the chances of another rebirth in human form at a time when the Dhamma exists in the world, is more likely.

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