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Interbeing ?

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Interbeing ?

Postby PeterB » Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:43 pm

From the POV of Classical Theravada can we discern a concept in the Pali Canon that could be rendered as " Interbeing" ?

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Re: Interbeing ?

Postby Annapurna » Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:48 pm

Interbeing.

Could you be so kind and add a brief explanation?

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Re: Interbeing ?

Postby PeterB » Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:52 pm

" Interbeing" is a concept found frequently on Buddhist forae.
I am interested to know if it is derived from, or can be equated to, any formulation found within the Classical Theravada schema.
And of course if so, where.

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Re: Interbeing ?

Postby kirk5a » Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:17 pm

My take on the notion is that it was originally developed by Thich Nhat Hanh to explain dependent origination.
"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Interbeing ?

Postby acinteyyo » Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:20 pm

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: Interbeing ?

Postby PeterB » Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:29 pm

So are we saying that it has no equivilant in the Pali Canon... Pali scolars......Nana, Dmytro, Kare et al, anything to add ?

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Re: Interbeing ?

Postby kirk5a » Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:32 pm

The broadest sense of D.O. being the formulation:

When this is, that is. From the arising of this comes the arising of that. When this isn't, that isn't. From the cessation of this comes the cessation of that.
"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Interbeing ?

Postby PeterB » Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:37 pm

Kirk5a thank you for your input, but I am not looking for an explanation of the term as it is found in TNH, I am aquainted with that. And that lies outside the scope of this Classical Theravada forum, I am asking if anyone can point within the Suttas to a clearly parallel teaching that is Canonical.
With ( in accord with the TOS of the subforum ) references.

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Re: Interbeing ?

Postby kirk5a » Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:47 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Interbeing ?

Postby PeterB » Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:50 pm

Ok I give up. Over and out. Clearly you have an answer Kirk5a...it just doesnt happen to coincide with my OP.
But the floor is yours. I will stop attempting to get an answer to this question and you can debate to your hears content.
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Re: Interbeing ?

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Re: Interbeing ?

Postby PeterB » Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:03 pm

Perhaps there needs to be a sub forum within the Classical Theravada that limits question and replies to those able to operate within that genre.

I will wait and see whether Dmytro or Kare or Nana or one of the Theravadin scholars can give an authorative reply rather than jamming.
If it was jamming that interested me I would stick to TNH.

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Re: Interbeing ?

Postby meindzai » Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:07 pm

If I thought the answer was "yes," I would have provided an example from the canon.

I believe the answer is "No," so I provided what I thought was a counter example from the canon.

I believe this to be within the guidelines of the Classical Theravada forum.

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Re: Interbeing ?

Postby PeterB » Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:21 pm

Ok its not subtle guys. I suspect that the "Interbeing" concept is an innovation that has no pedigree within the teachings of the Buddha.
I think it was invented. No doubt its inventor had good intentions, but we know what is paved with good intentions dont we.
I think it has actually become a barrier to understanding D.O.

I would like those with more knowledge of the Pali Canon than me to show me whether my thoughts on the matter are in accord with theirs.
And to show mw me either way from the Classical theravadin POV.
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Re: Interbeing ?

Postby Akuma » Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:26 pm

1) TNH wasnt born yet when the writings of classical Theravada were created so classical Theravada doesnt have a viewpoint on this.
2) TNH's concept is incompatible with DO because his idea is not based on abhidharma at all but on physicalism; a typical misconception - not only with "Mahayanis" tho.

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Re: Interbeing ?

Postby kirk5a » Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:51 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Interbeing ?

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Re: Interbeing ?

Postby Annapurna » Mon Feb 07, 2011 6:23 pm

http://www.schmuckzauberei.blogspot.com/

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Re: Interbeing ?

Postby Annapurna » Mon Feb 07, 2011 6:32 pm

http://www.schmuckzauberei.blogspot.com/

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