Doubts about Goenka course! - Need advice please

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Re: Doubts about Goenka course! - Need advice please

Postby Jhana4 » Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:55 am

Ben wrote:Many Hindus participate in ten-day courses, particularly in India where the Govt of Maharashtra gives its employees an additional ten-days leave on top of their holidays to do a ten-day course.


Now that, is a perk.

If you have time before your course starts, I recommend that you track down and read a copy of John Coleman's excellent "The Quiet Mind". John Coleman is a contemporary of Goenkaji and anothr of Sayagi U Ba Khin's students. In the 1950s, Coleman was outed as a CIA agent in Bangkok and 'disappeared' by spending a number of years undergoing a spiritual journey where he met up with U Ba Khin, Maharishi, Krishnamurti and others. Coleman eventually became one of U Ba Khin's assistant teachers and he still teaches today (occassionally). It is very inspirational.


I'm putting it on my to read list for the year, thank for bringing it up
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Doubts about Goenka course! - Need advice please

Postby motivateman » Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:47 pm

Dear Jhana4 and Ben,

Many thanks to both of you for your replies! I much appreciate your advice.

Cheers!

mm

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Re: Doubts about Goenka course! - Need advice please

Postby Parth » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:13 pm

Dear Motivateman,

I am a Hindu and have been associated with Vipassana for about 15 years now (U Ba Khin / Goenkaji's tradition). I dont think there is any contradiction there. Infect you may end up understanding Dhamma / Gita much better. Dont think go for it, post Vipassana you might actually understand the true meaning of several Kabir Dohas and so on so forth.

What may go down is your faith on certain rituals which you may come to realise were started by brahmins/ other sections of society for their personal monetary gain and do not have much to do with Dhamma.

For 10 days please just honour the following:
1. Noble Silence - most important
2. try to work on mindfulness to the maximum and follow instructions with zest

The gain you can get cannot be measured.

Metta

Parth

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Re: Doubts about Goenka course! - Need advice please

Postby motivateman » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:50 pm

Dear Parth,

Many thanks for sharing your thoughts. It was good to read this from a fellow Hindu.

I'm just going to go for it!

I'll let you all know how it goes!

Thanks again to all!

Cheers,

mm

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Re: Doubts about Goenka course! - Need advice please

Postby tiltbillings » Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:17 pm

motivateman wrote:Dear Parth,

Many thanks for sharing your thoughts. It was good to read this from a fellow Hindu.

I'm just going to go for it!

I'll let you all know how it goes!

Thanks again to all!

Cheers,

mm
Going for it is a great idea. Whether or not you continue with the specific sweeping type of practice or not, by the end of the retreat you will have gotten a good feel for mindfulness and concentration that will carry over nicely into your everyday meditation. Good luck and let us know how it goes.
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Re: Doubts about Goenka course! - Need advice please

Postby Euclid » Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:53 am

motivateman wrote:Dear Parth,

Many thanks for sharing your thoughts. It was good to read this from a fellow Hindu.

I'm just going to go for it!

I'll let you all know how it goes!

Thanks again to all!

Cheers,

mm


Great stuff! Nerves are totally natural, we all get them. You'll be fine. We all can't wait to hear how it goes :hug:

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Re: Doubts about Goenka course! - Need advice please

Postby Parth » Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:22 pm

One last thing whatever you may have read / heard about Vipassana / Dhamma till now, forget it and just follow the instructions that you are given in the course without doubts.

Regards

Parth

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Re: Doubts about Goenka course! - Need advice please

Postby Jhana4 » Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:03 pm

parth wrote:One last thing whatever you may have read / heard about Vipassana / Dhamma till now, forget it and just follow the instructions that you are given in the course without doubts.


Then when you arrive back home remember all of those things you decided to temporarily forget. I agree, if you go on a retreat for a particular method, seize the opportunity to experience what is unique to that system. Empty your cup and give that system 100% while you are there. Some time after the retreat has passed when you have been doing it in ordinary life is a good time to evaluate with everything else you have learned in your life.
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Doubts about Goenka course! - Need advice please

Postby Parth » Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:41 pm

Jhana4 wrote :

Then when you arrive back home remember all of those things you decided to temporarily forget. I agree, if you go on a retreat for a particular method, seize the opportunity to experience what is unique to that system. Empty your cup and give that system 100% while you are there. Some time after the retreat has passed when you have been doing it in ordinary life is a good time to evaluate with everything else you have learned in your life.


Agreed.

Regards

Parth

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Re: Doubts about Goenka course! - Need advice please

Postby rowyourboat » Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:56 am

Good luck, Euclid!

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