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Materialism and Physicalism

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Materialism and Physicalism

Postby clw_uk » Sat Mar 14, 2009 12:07 am

Are Materialism and Physicalism really incompatible with the Dhamma if they are true?
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Re: Materialism and Physicalism

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:18 am

No, I don't think so, Dhamma (as in Buddhist path) does not damn owning things, or that things exist, so if we change the meaning of Dhamma to Truth if it is true it is compatible to Dhamma
but I am taking these to be the Sciences, not another thing which can be given the same name.


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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Materialism and Physicalism

Postby Ravana » Sat Mar 14, 2009 11:14 am

“The incomparable Wheel of Dhamma has been set in motion by the Blessed One in the deer sanctuary at Isipatana, and no seeker, brahmin, celestial being, demon, god, or any other being in the world can stop it.”

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Re: Materialism and Physicalism

Postby clw_uk » Sat Mar 14, 2009 3:27 pm

Bhante, that quote though is in reguards to negating morals because of materialism is it not?
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Re: Materialism and Physicalism

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Mar 14, 2009 5:59 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Materialism and Physicalism

Postby Individual » Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:50 pm

The best things in life aren't things.


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Re: Materialism and Physicalism

Postby nathan » Sun Mar 15, 2009 3:06 pm

The first step towards finding a solution is admitting you have a problem.

How is one to transcend gross material forms and realms if one remains ignorant of gross material forms? How is one to transcend blissful and rapturous heavenly forms and realms if one remains ignorant of the same?

Overcoming craving, aversion and ignorance will require investigating these as arising and ceasing in the present. How could one, observing such compounded things in the present, deny the arising and passing of the same in the past, present and future? Seeing the escape from suffering one seeks greater release.

Not seeing the gross material suffering, not seeing the path of escape one despairs of the body. Not seeing the body one does not see what is superior to the body and one does not see the bearing of the path to escape nor it's end. Not seeing the blissful and rapturous, heavenly and omniscient suffering, one cannot see the escape in all the ages of heaven.

Awakened there is no denial or affirmation of these compounded things being and becoming, arising and passing. There is only awareness, understanding and acknowledgment of dhamma in those who have become such.
But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: Materialism and Physicalism

Postby nathan » Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:36 am

But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}


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