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What Is The Mind ?

Postby PeterB » Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:47 am

What is the mind from Classical sources, and specifically in relationship to the Khandas ?
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Re: What Is The Mind ?

Postby cooran » Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:21 am

Hello Peter,

The Mindtalk by Ven. Dr. Punnaji
http://www.buddhistelibrary.org/en/disp ... hp?pid=676

Persevere with the audio :smile: ......I'd be interested to hear what you think.

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Re: What Is The Mind ?

Postby PeterB » Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:36 am

I will have a wee listen in an hour or two Chris..thank you...
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Re: What Is The Mind ?

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:37 am

Greetings Peter,

Do you mean "citta" (Pali) or "the mind" (English)?

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Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)


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One who is such, calmed and ever mindful, He has no sorrows! -- Udana IV, 7


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Re: What Is The Mind ?

Postby PeterB » Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:43 am

The Mind Retro...A term we use without qualifiers....assuming a common understanding.
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Re: What Is The Mind ?

Postby cooran » Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:50 am

Hello Peter,

Another, more academic, text:

The Mind in Early Buddhism - Bhikkhu Thich Minh Thanh
http://www.buddhanet.net/budsas/ebud/mind/00_toc.htm

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Re: What Is The Mind ?

Postby PeterB » Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:04 am

Indebted as always to my antipodean mentor.
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Re: What Is The Mind ?

Postby PeterB » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:26 am

cooran wrote:Hello Peter,

The Mindtalk by Ven. Dr. Punnaji
http://www.buddhistelibrary.org/en/disp ... hp?pid=676

Persevere with the audio :smile: ......I'd be interested to hear what you think.

with metta
Chris

Excellent Chris...he makes what could be obscure very clear and accessible, he is particularly good on the problems that come when nama and rupa are translated as "body and mind" thus giving rise to a major misunderstanding of the Buddhas teaching...as he says..." there is no mind and no matter, there are just sense impressions " which is the Royal Way through the minefield which is the Cartesian Split.
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Re: What Is The Mind ?

Postby PeterB » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:35 am

cooran wrote:Hello Peter,

Another, more academic, text:

The Mind in Early Buddhism - Bhikkhu Thich Minh Thanh
http://www.buddhanet.net/budsas/ebud/mind/00_toc.htm

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Enormous amount of food for thought...in the context of our tendency to reify processes he says
" Citta as a unitary term is nothing more than a convenient collective noun to comprehend a wide and complex nexus of mental states in flux"...
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Re: What Is The Mind ?

Postby PeterB » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:29 pm

bump.
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Re: What Is The Mind ?

Postby acinteyyo » Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:59 am

cooran wrote:Hello Peter,

Another, more academic, text:

The Mind in Early Buddhism - Bhikkhu Thich Minh Thanh
http://www.buddhanet.net/budsas/ebud/mind/00_toc.htm

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very good and interesting talk! I also would like to know what Ven. Dr. Punnaji has to say about sañña... but this would be off topic.
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Api cāhaṃ, āvuso, imasmiṃyeva byāmamatte kaḷevare, sasaññimhi samanake lokañca paññāpemi lokasamudayañca lokanirodhañca lokanirodhagāminiñca paṭipadan. (AN4.45)

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Re: What Is The Mind ?

Postby PeterB » Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:12 am

I dont think it would be off-topic acinteyyo...In fact I think it would entirely apropos...
Sanna I think would come squarely into what is translated loosly as " mind".

Any links Chris...anyone ?
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Re: What Is The Mind ?

Postby cooran » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:29 am

Hello Peter, acinteyyo, all,

Maybe something in A Buddhist Perspective of Modern Psychotherapy & Evolution of Consciousness - By Ven. Dr. Madawela Punnaji

’The method of entering a state of tranquillity of the mind through meditation was known to the Indian yogis even before the Buddha. There were eight deep levels of tranquillity that the yogis had reached during the time of the Buddha. The Buddha went only one step further and temporarily stopped all activities of the mind by entering a state of quiescence which was similar to hibernation. This state was called sañña vedayita nirodha, which means, “cessation of sensation and feeling.” It was when rising from this state that the Buddha “awakened from the dream of existence.” ‘
http://www.scribd.com/doc/37277629/A-Bu ... chotherapy

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Re: What Is The Mind ?

Postby PeterB » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:45 am

You're a darlin'
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Re: What Is The Mind ?

Postby imagemarie » Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:02 pm

cooran wrote:Maybe something in A Buddhist Perspective of Modern Psychotherapy & Evolution of Consciousness - By Ven. Dr. Madawela Punnaji

http://www.scribd.com/doc/37277629/A-Bu ... chotherapy

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Forgive my ignorance, but I tried to download this, and can only do so if I agree to all sorts of Facebook shennanagins (permissions etc.). Is this the only way?
Thank-you.
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Re: What Is The Mind ?

Postby Kaktus » Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:14 pm

imagemarie wrote:http://www.scribd.com/doc/37277629/A-Bu ... chotherapy

Forgive my ignorance, but I tried to download this, and can only do so if I agree to all sorts of Facebook shennanagins (permissions etc.). Is this the only way?
Thank-you.


You can read books at scribd.com anytime without any kind of registration. Download is only available for registred users. You also have to pay at least $5,- for the cheapest membershiop.
English isn´t my native language. So please accept my apologies for my kind of spelling and grammar ;-)
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Re: What Is The Mind ?

Postby cooran » Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:09 pm

I'm not sure that that such a long article is particularly relevant to the OP - so I wouldn't worry too much if you can't access it.

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Re: What Is The Mind ?

Postby acinteyyo » Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:36 pm

imagemarie wrote:
cooran wrote:Maybe something in A Buddhist Perspective of Modern Psychotherapy & Evolution of Consciousness - By Ven. Dr. Madawela Punnaji

http://www.scribd.com/doc/37277629/A-Bu ... chotherapy

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Forgive my ignorance, but I tried to download this, and can only do so if I agree to all sorts of Facebook shennanagins (permissions etc.). Is this the only way?
Thank-you.

I have a scribd account and downloaded it. One can download for free at scribd.com if one uploads something in return.
If you don't like to get an account at scribd I can send you the pdf via e-mail, you can tell me via pm if you like.

best wishes, acinteyyo
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