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Not thinking vs Thinking

On the cultivation of insight/wisdom
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Not thinking vs Thinking

Postby BuddhaBatman » Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:00 pm

Happy day to everyone and thank you for looking into my newb thread (we all know how painful that can be).
So here's the thing: I really like thinking. I like everything about it, even the scary parts. But in order to successfully complete the first part of Vipassana meditation training one must stop thinking, unless it's about breathing, which one can do without thinking.
Right now, when I'm meditating correctly (not thinking), it feels like a blessing to waver off into thinking and a curse to have to return to non-thinking. Basically, it's no fun.
Questions: am I surely going to fail at meditation? Also, if by devine intervention I succeed in non-thinking, is there a danger I'll enjoy it too much and not want to return to thinking, and/or lose the capability entirely?
Thanks for thinking about this.

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Re: Not thinking vs Thinking

Postby cooran » Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:06 pm

Hello BB,

From whom did you learn meditation and what exact method are you using?

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Re: Not thinking vs Thinking

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Re: Not thinking vs Thinking

Postby meindzai » Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:11 pm

I think you might be over-thinking this thinking vs. not-thinking thing. :) But I also think we all do it.

If you've had the Goekna course, that's great. Just go along with the method, and keep practicing it, and don't make any distinctions about thinking vs. not-thinking. Just keep doing the practice.

-M

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Re: Not thinking vs Thinking

Postby Ben » Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:35 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Not thinking vs Thinking

Postby Dharma_Bum » Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:15 am

When you are told "not" to think is a way of saying to clear your mind. Thoughts will come and go, but you should refrain from letting your mind wander while you meditate. Don't over think this Not thinking vs. Thinking, no matter how much you enjoying meditating you will go back to thinking when you are done meditating. ;) :namaste:

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Re: Not thinking vs Thinking

Postby Jack » Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:46 pm

A metaphor that might help during meditation is keep your mind like a rock in a stream. Phenomena float past, a pain in your neck here, a sound there and a thought over there. Just be mindful of them without getting involved with them. You let them all go by. You handle a thought the same as you handle other phenomena. Trying to steer thoughts away is getting involved with them.

Jack

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Re: Not thinking vs Thinking

Postby rowyourboat » Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:08 pm

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Re: Not thinking vs Thinking

Postby VeganLiz » Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:01 am

Isn't a personal reflection of our thoughts sort of a form of meditation it's self?


Or not.
"My actions are my only true belongings." Thich Nhat Hanh

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Re: Not thinking vs Thinking

Postby rowyourboat » Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:14 pm

Hi VeganLiz,

Personal reflection maybe helpful for us to understand certain things about ourselves, especially to be a better person. However thinking based practices are limited in their scope, simple due to being unable to 'break out of the box' on which the thinking is based on.

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Re: Not thinking vs Thinking

Postby Alex123 » Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:31 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Not thinking vs Thinking

Postby rowyourboat » Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:37 pm

Hi Alex,

Thank you for your response. I was merely pointing out that thinking alone, is not going to be enough. I am fully aware of the need to listen, ponder, understand, make views out of, and contemplate appropriately before getting to mindfulness. It's hardly as non-thinking process. It is also not a thinking-only process. It was the latter point I was trying to get at in my previous post.

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